Absolutely! What he said! peace...bongwater

Will be relocating to Baja in the fall. Want to do a rooftop grow of autos in coco. Any suggestions on hot weather strains? What happens if I grow photos in the winter months. (12 hrs or less of sun a day) Rarely gets below 50 F. Thanks in advance for your help! peace...bongwater

I know, I'm quoting myself! But in my search for information I found this and it seemed worth sharing. Haven't seen it here in my searches. peace...bongwater Here is a post I stole off another grow site from a grower named BACKCOUNTRY. Thanks a bunch BACKCOUNTRY. Quote: Does 12/12 mean anything outdoors? Often I have seen new members(or members mostly experienced in indoors) post threads asking when 12/12 occurs outdoors. Often they say they are looking for the time of the season when their plants will start blooming outdoors, many times they are trying to use this date(Sept 21 Equinox) plus the strains indoor finishing time to determine the outdoor finishing time. But of course it doesn't work that way, we know that most strains have started blooming long before Sept 21st, but there is even more reason why indoor finishing times can't be applied outdoors. One thing to realize is that as the day lights length shortens, the plants speed up their blooming, since most plants start blooming long before 12/12, outdoor plants will take longer to set into blooming and to finish than their indoor grown sisters would. So basically, unless you live very near to the Equator, indoor finishing times will not be applicable outdoors. Finishing times, Photoperiod, Latitude, and how it all works!! We all know the basics of vegging and blooming Cannabis..... when the day is long and the night is short the plant concentrates on vegging(growing), when the day length shortens enough, the plant starts to bloom. But how does all this work? Why does the same strain finish at different times in different parts of the world? Does 12/12 really mean anything outdoors? Why is Latitude(or "Lat") so important to some growers? What is a "Auto-flowering" plant? Lets get into the meat of the subject shall we?.............. Photoperiod The first thing to cover here is Photoperiod- Photoperiod is the ammount of time there is light in a 24 hour period. In Cannabis growing, Photoperiod is typically shown like this- 12/12 or 16/8, or 18/6, etc. The first number is usually the length of the lighted period, the second shows the balance of the 24 hours that is dark. Outdoors the sun controls the Photoperiod. Its length changes through the seasons according to the movements of the sun in the sky, a matter of fact it causes the change in seasons. This brings us to...... Photoperiodism Photoperiodism is the reaction of many flowering plants(including Cannabis) to changes in Photoperiod. Plants that experience Photoperiodism have pigment cells called Phytochrome that monitor the ammounts of light being absorbed by the plants(specificly the red end of the spectrum), and the length of day. Signals from the Phytochrome tell the plant to do many things, including to grow, bloom, and in the case of some trees, to loose their leaves and go dormant in Autum. Most of these plants fall into three catergories concerning blooming times, that being- long day plants(blooms as day gets longer), short day plants(blooms as day gets shorter), and day neutral plants(blooming is not according to light cycles). All Cannabis varieties are either "Short day", plants or "Auto-flowering" (known as "Day neutral" outside of the Cannabis community). So called "Auto-flowering" plants do not seem to take their blooming cues from the sun, and thus should be considered "Day neutral", as most seem to be geneticly programmed to bloom according to age insted. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Sun, Latitude, and why the same plants finish different times at different points on the globe The year as we know it is basicly the time it takes for the Earth to make a complete loop around the sun. As the Earth makes this loop it shifts on its axis, so that either the northern half or southern half(Hemispheres) have the longer photoperiod. file:///C:/Users/dave/AppData/Local/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image001.gif The shortest day of the year is called the Winter Solstice, this day occurs on December 21st in the northern half of the world, on the same day in the southern hemisphere they will have their Summer solstice, the longest day of the year. On June 21s it will be reversed, with the longest day of the year in the north(Summer solstice), and the shortest day in the south(Winter solstice). Two days of the year are known as the equinoxes, one occurs March 21st and one on September 21st. These days represent the halfway point between the longest and shortest days of the year, on these days the day length is almost exactly 12/12 all over the world. If you are in the Northern hemisphere, Mar. 21 is the first day of Spring and September is the first day of Autum, reverse these dates in the southern hemisphere. Latitude Latitude is the east-west lines you see on a globe or map of the earth, they are spaced about every 111 Kilometers starting at 0 degrees at the Equator, and graduating north and south from there (every 111 KM) to the north pole(90 Degrees North) and South pole(90 Degrees south). Here is a link to Wikpedia explaining Latitude- Latitude At the Equator the length of day doesn't change much from month to month, at both Solstices the length of day is about 12 hours, at both Equinoxes it is about 12 hours, almost perpetual 12/12. Now lets take a look at Portland Oregon, this city sits near 45.4° N, which is about exactly halfway between the Equator(O°) and the North pole(90°N). At the Winter solstice, the length of day is 8h 41m, at Summer solstice the day length is 15h 41m, and at the Equinoxes it is 12h 12m. And now lets look at Anchorage Alaska, this city sits at 61.2° N, a little over 2/3 of the way to the North pole(90° N) from the Equator(0°). At the Winter Solstice the day length is 5h 27m, at Summer solstice the day length is 19h 22m, and the Equinoxes are 12h 18m. As you move away from the equator(either north or south), you see more distictness between the seasons and the length of days during those seasons. Generally the closer you are to the Equator, the less difference there is between the length of day on the Solstices(the longest and shortest days of the year. The further you are from the Equator, the more difference there is in length of day between the Solstices, making the Summer shorter and shorter, and the longest day of the year longer and longer the further you go from the eternal 12/12 of the Equator. Here are the Latitudes for a few North American, European and Australian cities to show a example of the vast differences in latitude- Darwin, Australia-12.4° S Miami, Florida-25.8° N Houston, Texas-29.7° N Los Angeles, California-34.1° N Atlanta, Georgia-33.9° N Canberra, Australia-35.3° S San Francisco, California-37.8° N Reno, Nevada-39.5° N Naples, Italy-40.8° N Chicago, Illinois- 41.9° N Boston, Massachusetts-42.4° N Toronto, Ontario-43.6° N Ottawa, Ontario-45.3° N Seattle, Washington-47.6° N Vienna, Austria-48.2° N Vancouver, British Columbia-49.2° N Calgary, Alberta-51.1° N Warsaw, Poland-52.2° N Amsterdam, Netherlands-52.3° Edmonton, Alberta-53.3° N Anchorage, Alaska-61.2° N The Photoperiod sensitive strains of Cannabis are each geneticly programmed to start blooming when day shortens to a certain length*. When these various strains are bred, they become acclimated to that latitudes photoperiod, they are bred to bloom and harvest before that areas climate becomes too cold and dark(or wet), usally to avoid major mold problems, or harsh freezing weather. *Many experts agree that it is actually the length of the dark period that matters to plants. When you take a plant that was bred in one location, and move it to a similar Latitude, say from 42° N to 43° N the plant should harvest at nearly the same time. But if you take a plant from 42° N to 50° N, its possible that the plant may not harvest early enough to beat Winter further up north. __________________________ Here is a chart comparing the length of day for 4 areas, over the year. The first number is the length of day(meaning sunrise to sunset), the second number includes the twilight time before sunrise and after sunset(basicly the total length of visable light)- ----- Houston, TX 29.7°N--------Humbolt county, CA 40° N------Eugene, OR 44.1°N--------Vancouver,BC 49.2°N Dec 21--10h 14m/11h 07m------------9h 22m/10h 23m--------------8h 52m/9h 58m--------------7h53m/9h 27m Jan 21--10h 33m/11h 24m------------9h 51m/10h 49m--------------9h 26m/10h 30m------------8h 54m/10h 05m Feb 21--11h 19m/12h 07m-----------10h 58m/11h 53m-------------10h 46m/11h 45m-----------10h 31m/11h 36m Mar 21--12h 58m/12h 56m-----------12h 10m/13h 04m-------------12h 11m/13h 09m-----------12h 13m/13h 16m Apr 21--13h 03m/13h 52m-----------13h 29m/14h 25m-------------13m 44m/14h 45m-----------14h 04m/15h 12m May 21--13h 45m/14h 57m-----------14h 31m/15h 33m-------------14h 45m/16h 06m-----------15h 34m/16h 53m Jun 21--14h 03m/14h 57m-----------15h 57m/16h 05m-------------15h 30m/16h 43m-----------16h 14m/17h 40m Jul 06--13h 58m/14h 52m-----------15h 00m/16h 06m-------------15h 22m/16h 34m-----------16h 04m/17h 28m Jul 21--13h 45m/14h 57m-----------14h 31m/15h 33m-------------14h 45m/16h 06m-----------15h 34m/16h 53m Aug 06--13h 26m/14h 17m-----------14h 09m/15h 10m-------------14h 24m/15h 29m-----------14h 53m/16h 06m Aug 21--13h 03m/13h 52m-----------13h 29m/14h 25m-------------13m 44m/14h 45m-----------14h 04m/15h 12m Sep 06--12h 36m/13h 24m-----------12h 53m/13h 48m-------------12h 58m/13h 57m-----------13h 09m/14h 14m Sep 21--12h 10m/12h 56m-----------12h 10m/13h 04m-------------12h 11m/13h 09m-----------12h 13m/13h 16m Oct 06--11h 43m/12h 31m-----------11h 32m/12h 27m-------------11h 28m/12h 26m-----------11h 21m/12h 25m Oct 21--11h 19m/12h 07m-----------10h 58m/11h 53m-------------10h 46m/11h 45m-----------10h 31m/11h 36m Nov 06--10h 52m/11h 42m-----------10h 13m/11h 11m-------------10h 00m/11h 01m------------9h 35m/10h 43m Nov 21--10h 33m/11h 24m------------9h 51m/10h 49m--------------9h 26m/10h 30m------------8h 54m/10h 05m Dec 21--10h 14m/11h 07m------------9h 22m/10h 23m--------------8h 52m/9h 58m-------------7h 53m/9h 27m Length of day Vs. Length of visable light When you see people describe outdoor Photoperiod, they often use the "Length of day" to describe it. "Length of day" is defined legally as the time between sunrise and sunset, the problem with using this figure is that it doesn't count the visable light known as "Twilight", that occurs before sunrise, and after sunset, the day may actually be 1 hour(or more) longer! Cannabis plants do have a cut off point where they no longer consider fading light as "day", I am sure this tolerence point is different for each strain grown. Obviously a full moon is not bright enough to affect Cannabis plants, but who really knows where cut off is? nice!

Looking for a houseboat rental for March 2014. Stayed on one a cpl of years ago but looking for alternative. 4ppl peace...bongwater

I found this little bastard crawling up a branch on my flowering Critical Auto and I grow indoors! Can anyone tell me what it is and suggest how it might have gotten in my indoor grow? Only found one but it freaked me out! Any thoughts? peace...bongwater

Thanks bro...I think. peace...bongwater

Thank you Gaz! Tonight I found the third worm. He was crunching on the top cola and had devoured two leaves! My plants only have a couple of weeks to go at the most. Do you think I should cut my losses and chop or continue to try and rid myself of them as I find them by hand.? Thanks so much for your help. bummed out...bongwater

Once again, beautiful girls! Given the stage of the pistils in this pic, how long till flush? Gonna stick around for the bud porn! peace...bongwater

Congratulations on a magnificent grow brother! I've been here for the whole thing and found it downright inspirational. I too pick dog hairs off of buds every day! lol Does starting them off on 12/12 as you mentioned get them started at the same rate? I often have one or two that seem like they are two weeks ahead of the others. peace...can't wait for your next autogrow...bongwater

My Brother Gonzo! The girls recovered nicely thanks to you and some guidance from the kind folks at A.N. In fact they have outgrown my space and it is quite crowded. My space is 5ft. high and I have the light at the very top with one girl almost kissing the hood! Only one of the three has fattening buds with the other two lagging behind. It may be taking longer due to the set backs during my ever expanding learning curve. I will begin flushing the faster one in week 12...see what happens! Thanks again for all of your kind help! peace...bongwater

I am in my first autoflower grow and my girls have gone way past what the breeder stated they would and they are huge. (no surprise) I have read alot about when to harvest based on trichs, pistils, and overall appearance of the plant but at what point would I start the two week flush? They are in week 11 and one of the three look almost ready while the other two are lagging behind. (all sprouted together on same day ???) Any edification for this old hippie is appreciated. peace...bongwater

I have been on this forum since Mar of 2012 and have often seen individuals refered to as spammers, spreading "spam". Can someone please tell me what a spammer is and what is he spamming? peace...bongwater

Thanks Dust! I didn't know what it was and I wanted to make sure that whatever it was, I wasn't doing it! LOL... peace...bongwater

Oh! No you didn't!!!

Thank you so much Smoke! I just ordered auto sweet mango and some easy ryder auto that I will be growing with some lowryder#2 as the SLH was out of stock. I hope to get a couple of the LED 45s if I can afford it before that grow. I am finishing some critical rapido but being my first coco grow, it has been a learning experience and I made plenty of mistakes. I finally have it dialed in(somewhat) at the 5th week so my yield will suffer. This having been only your third grow gives me hope that I have learned enough about coco to do much better on the next one. Thanks again for sharing this stellar grow and I am grateful for the time you took with your response. Your generosity and skills are remarkable. peace...bongwater

Stellar grow brother! SLH and TW are on my next to grow list for sure! You absolutely have mad skills and I will intently follow all of your future grows. One quick question...I am intrigued by your use of LEDs with your HPS. Could you share some info about the LEDs that you use as I want to buy a couple to use with my HPS. Again, Thanks for sharing this beautiful grow and I can't wait for the next one! peace...bongwater

One out of three of my Critical Rapido autos started severely clawing overnight and is getting worse. Now there is discoloring on the curled leaves. (green area getting splotchy with yellow). I just fed them 1/4 strength nutes at the end of their third week for the first time using AN connoseur and bud candy. Also changed lights to 12/12 for no other reason than to take it easy on the electric bill. They get 1/2 tap and 1/2 RO water ph to 6 (best I can tell with the dye drops method of testing) I am growing in 100% coco in three gallon airpots under 400wt HPS. Please, oh please take a look and help her with some advise for this old hippie growing in coco for the first time. Much love in advance for your help! Peace...bongwater. Sorry, pics aren't better.

Thanks for your reply my growing friends. I left them alone and let them dry out. About two days between water and fed only once in a week and they are recovering nicely. Heat is still an issue but...it's Texas! This first grow in coco has certainly been a learning experience. I now am watering about every three days. Added some epsom salt which may have also helped. The AN folks were very adamant in their instructions to me NOT to add cal-mag, but the epsom salt did help I believe. Still have some burned leaf tips only. heat? Comments? peace...bongwater

Could be...hard for me to keep it under 90 degrees in my space as I am in Texas! I have lots of fans blowing and good exhaust but it's TEXAS! Thanks bro! peace...bongwater

Is the Powder Feed available in the "dirty south" of the U.S. yet? Shipping to Texas was more $ than the product. It was suggested that I share an order with another grower but NOONE knows I am growing as I only grow for personal use. Quite the conundrum ..... peace...bongwater

Premium Edification!! Great stuff Franco.

Thanks bro! I was corresponding with the AN people and they said that if I fed my three week old plants at 1/4 strength, I severely underfed my plants! WTF! AN said... If you mixed your nutrients (pH perfect) at ¼ strength, than you severely under fed your plants, yellow or brown inter vein areas and serrated edges with curling upwards are symptoms of deficiencies. The pH settles where it settles it is not important with the pH perfect formulas, always feed at the recommended amount for the week that the plants are in, the sweet spot for pH is pH 5.6 – pH 6.5 it can go slightly lower or higher than that, it does not matter, do not adjust it, the Humic and Fulvic acids increase the pH range for uptake, also do not add CalMag.

Well, I should have waited for your reply. I just fed them for the first time after a flush and PH'd the mixture down. Shit! It was a light feeding and about 2/3 ltr each plant. Should I hope for the best at this point and throw away the PH down, or is there something I should do right away? Thanks again and sorry for being such a dumbass! peace...bongwater (my last post of the day, I promise!)

Ahhhhh So, am I screwing it up by adding PH down to the mix in order to achieve the desired 5.8-6.0? Thanks for the reply peace...bongwater (love the combos!) The Amnesi Haze is my favorite smoke! Had it in Amsterdam 2 years ago. How is it to grow?