On weekends I like to smoke in the morning but sometimes I get a lot of couch-lock and I would prefer to stay active and social. So in my next grow (2-3 months to start) I am planning to get some sativa strains. 2 grows away I had Jack Herer from GHS and I was very happy with it so I would like some sativa from GHS. But there is so many that I don't know what to choose from. Highest aspect of my choice is staying social and active with very little or no body stone. I don't mind long flowering time or low yield but if there is something with really clear high and less then 14 weeks flowering it will be ideal. I read best sativas thread and I liked those: 1. Arjan's Ultra Haze #1 Top notch sativa , unfortunately 13-14 weeks is a bit long also there is no leafly reports and very little smoke reports for it. 2. Arjan's Strawberry Haze Should be sativa high, got lots of reviews and is considered excellent strain but I am worried about this bit of body effect. 3. Hawaiian Snow Literally the same as above but can be more stoney then all top 2 so probably not an option, since I want the clearest mind I can get 4. Arjan's Haze #1 - Same as my first choice but even longer flowering then Ultra If you have any suggestions for sativa that is best to kick me out of bed in the morning and not waste my weekend watching netflix please tell me. I already have Kali Mist planned for this grow so I am just looking for second sativa choice with absolutely clearest high. EDIT: Somone suggested to me that AH#3 meets my criteria perfectly, does anyone have experience and can compare it with AUH#1 or AH#1?

So AUH#1 is ok for wake and bake, still if I smoke too much I go back to bed And it is very strong so it is easy for that to happen. So not exactly what I wanted. Lucky for me I grew CBD strain out of curiosity and it is perfect daytime smoke, very hard to overdo it, you stay slightly stoned, with clear mind. Just great for wake'n'bake. Anyway enough offtopic, I managed to grow AUH#1 in under 120 cm height. It wasn't very difficult to my surprise but it was necessary to flip very early resulting in low yield (I had low W since it's percy grow anyway so kind of expected). Here is the picture it's tall one in the corner above all indicas/hybrids, the only plant that was getting close to it was NL5xH

Are you using any extra lightning for those pictures?

what camera and lenses are you using? any extra lightning? Cos those look damn great.

It can be possibly ph lockout, because they look both burned on edges and pale in the middle. And y this soild could use some coco or pearlite addition.

How many good genetics you get depends on luck and how stabilized is strain that you are buying. Sometimes you can get 3 good phenos from 5 seeds and sometimes 1 on 20 seeds, depends from breeder/strain/luck. Just remember you can't clone autoflowers. Except that cloning is better idea if you have room for mother plant, every time you get very predictable results (same yield, flowering time, same type of quality).

great stuff mate! can't wait for smoke report. I am growing kosher kush now myself and I was thinking about holy in future if I will like this one.

I can see we have the same saving goal

As they said you need either autoflowering strain for your tactic or you need to use 12/12 for last 8-14 weeks depending on strain choice.

26 days is what I would expect for everyday smoker . Up to a full month I think. 1-2 weeks for casual smoker.

and vaporization is next step to taste and quality from glass.

great pictures great strain choice. which one was better kosher or holy? which camera did you used to make such a nice pictures, my camera does nothing like this, mine just look purple

I suggest you buy one of those fake penises with clean urine. Week should be usually enough but you are heavy smoker I wouldn't count on it. And this extra few $ is not worth losing a job. There you go: http://www.detoxclear.com/ (I haven't tested this product so check price and review, just first example I found)

funny things you are saying. When he insulted me you said nothing because he is HPS die hard like you but when I answered in same tone you point this out. Very fair of you. Clearly you don't know price of LED components, quality one imported from Germany are not as cheap as China but it is way cheaper to build diy LED then buy Vipar. And I know because I did it, I build my first LED and from China components it cost next to nothing. Building from quality European parts cost still next to nothing. And you are pretend expert on LED lights but you never even used one in your life. So what is a price difference between building own LED let's say 180W from China components, from German components and buying Vipar/Mars2 or high end price? Please summarize numbers because I gave tons of them u gave nothing you just make empty claims, you say it cost? Say exactly how much or stop lying and spreading misinformation. Also what is exactly difference between cheap LED from China vs LED from Germany, I am waiting for your explanation Mr. Expert? I am currently using Vipar it is a budget choice, I am running 4th grow on it and surprise it works, you said it won't! What kind of expert are you? Explain why does it still work ? And give me how much will I yield from coco grow now from 180W true power Vipar? Will it outperform 150W HPS on it's 4th grow? You are expert got 0.48m2 how much yield less will I get with 4th grow then 1st grow in % value mr. expert? Because I assume I will since you promised? Exact figures please. Not lies. When did I said that budget options are as good as high end price? I said they are still better then HPS most of the time. What you don't like commercials suddenly you give examples from what I gave which is clearly commercial to promote their light. You understand just PAR or does spectrum tells you something too? And yeah I pasted wrong link big deal info on area covered from LED is everywhere: http://www.budmaster.co.uk/led-grow-light-hanging-distance.html And again it varies from light to light (strength, producer, shape, W in diodes, lenses angle). This discussion looks like this: you make false claims, I post things and numbers to proof you wrong, you shut up about it and jump on next horse making more false claims about other aspects. Now do your own research before and answer my questions. And it is weird claim that my VIpar will stop performing or fall apart form guy who claims changing HPS bulbs every 2 years is fine...... Personally I wouldn't keep that rubbish more then 6 months but well.... HPS progress deniers are here. Vipar diaries are out there including mine and maybe I am searching wrong but I don't see them failing or performing worst with every grow, for budget option it preforms just as good as Mars II I think. But of course you can proof your claim now, link please or stop lying.... again I must say.

conspiracy!!!

11 l for coco (or even less) 25 l for soil or coco/soil mix. If you go soil it also depends how long do you plan to vegetate. Each 5 l give you extra week of vegetation without root bound.

Get your coco mix in 1:5 ratio with distilled water, shake it in bottle and check ph of that. This will give u true medium ph. Run off in coco is good to check ec but ph is meaningless from it due to coco nature. It's not like in soil unfortunately.

Clearly you and your friends need glasses: http://www.organicagardensupply.com/grow-lights/lumigrow-pro-led-grow-light-coverage/ For HPS it is 6.5ftx 6.5ft to compare. So at 7 inches from plants LED beats HPS in covered area. Just to add my LED stays 30 inches away for seedlings, 20 inches in vegetation 12 inches in flowering. Most of 5W chips stay 48 inches for seedlings, 30 inches vegetation, 20 inches flowering. Penetration is good enough to keep 30 inches whole grow long, ppl get them a bit closer to get more intensity in flowering. Of course they come in different sizes an shapes so cover area can vary but they usually cam even to HPS wiyth 3W chips and beat them easily with 5W. It is suprising that HPS die hards need damn diagrams to fallow simple logic: you hang light higher it covers more,a nd LED always is hanged higher then HPS, more penetration = more height = more coverage. That is simple logic ignoring even things like LED angles etc. But I guess it's hard to understand if you're blind easier when deaf. Maybe it is better to have deaf ear then blind eyes. Deaf ears prevent me from believing made up stories like yours.

Oh yeah u are only one on this forum that have experience rest just read about growing VIPAR 300 I got is experimental model made of cardboard I experience sun that hides at night so it goes around earth not as they say earth around sun.. they talking from paper.

As for lifespan manufacturers claim 50000 hours, wikipedia 30 000 hours and you can guess which one I trust. Saying that you can always get faulty model that will last shorter then that, you can get the same with HPS that is why some people change them every 6 months. Energy Star specifications require the bulbs to typically drop less than 10% after 6,000 or more hours of operation, and in the worst case not more than 15% Again from Wikipedia.

Man we can discuss details like that for next 100 years. This is only thing we can achieve by discussing it any longer: http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/internet-argument-resolved-2014030584268 HPS were massive progress from CFL. LEDs are progress from HPS (although not as massive, maybe plasma lights will be one day). Extremely expensive LEDs are probably not worth the cost unless you are cashcropper (although I've seen commercial grows which claimed they saved fortune on exhaust fans and electricity). Cheap and reasonably priced LEDs can be almost equally good enough is to do some research in grow diaries. Even most expensive led will save you money considering price of weed on illegal market. $2500 light vs 656 g form one grow is 23 ounces. Even assuming jsut $250 per ounce (in my area it is more like $340 but maybe you live in some nicer place ) gives you $5750. So for next grow you can buy 2 of those lights if you like them. And for next one 4. And you will still have leftover saved cash for electricity, nutes etc. Personally I got 300W Vipar (180W true power 100x3W diodes) and it yields enough in 1 grow a year for me to smoke and cost now around $200. With first grow it covered not only cost of this light but whole setup multiple times. Going for more W will only increase how fast it pays for itself. That is really all growers need to know. The need to know that when you finish smoking your weed, savings were big enough to throw it to the bin if you want, which of course you don't have to do it for way longer then with HPS.

This isn't even remotely true. Not only you can keep LED further away due to better penetration which of course gives better coverage but also they come in variety of sizes and shapes so you an choose best one for your growroom. Again most of growers I linked used 1 hps , replaced it with 1 led and didn't change their growroom size one bit. I don't know why people come up with ideas like that.

Many questions but not many that will actually target what is important for growers. As for efficiency loss it is well known, and well researched: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LED_lamp Same for life of LED no one needs to relay on producers to count on info. It's not a new technology as you are trying too suggest, it is old and well tested technology that is now being adapted to growing weed, at the beginning there were mistakes and weaker models this is past now. There is a risk of losing equipment so you can stick to autos in soil on window sill no problem mate Some of us wants best they can get. Also if you are so worried check for fire risk with HPS, you are worried about pigs confiscating it but you are not worried it will burn your house down? I am more worried about everything else being destroyed in fire but hey that's just me. My LED saved me so much money on weed that it's price was covered already multiple times in savings. You don't need cooling in your place? I still need exhaust fan out in my growroom you don't with HPS? I don't believe you! I mean I live in what is considered cold climate but still I grow just in winter, and my flat is 21C because I heat here. That with LED and 30% 6 inch fan gives me 26C in my wardrobe and in seedling phase I got 30C with 300W CFL! I need to run 50% of 760m3/h to get it decent then. With HPS easily 80-90% I guess. Difference between needing 6 inch fan to move air and 4 inch running on % power is big is it? Most of people who live in cold climate like to heat their flat but if your only heating in cave is your grow tent then I guess you should stick to HPS nothing else turns so much electricity into heat We don't want you to die from cold There is tons of cheap leds tested with diaries/yt videos etc. including ones I have linked to (Colorados finest on yt use cheap, my vipar was fairly cheap). There is tons of reviews of cheap leds like in first link I gave in my first post in this thread. And on the same website there is diary with 9.3 oz from 250W LED: http://www.growweedeasy.com/pro-grow-led-grow-journal-endive Enough is to do some research and google names of few cheap leds to know. All makes like Blackstar, vipar Mars II (and many more) Google that and you get 10s if not 100s of grows and you can see what room size it is used for and how it performs. All those models are cheap. Next thing we know and we will get climate change deniers like we have LED results deniers.

You say you expect exact maths calculations but you don't deliver them for your claims. There is a reason why most of medical growers switched to LED from HPS and because you refuse to accept facts it doesn't change facts and those are simple: 1. Better performance (yield, density, internodes length, basically every aspect). 2. Less electricity cost. 3. Spectrum used better by plants. 4. Multiple grow diaries/comparisons proofing great results LED vs HPS. 5. Less heat. 6. Better price (higher initial cost, but less W with same results, less heat, less cooling cost, longer use without replacing, this goes even with good HPS with ballast and rest comparing to how often u change them and in long therm better) You can argue about details like: why are there 80x5W diods in this model: http://www.youtube.com/user/EastCoastChameleon but power taken is: Draw Power:170~200W Or basically this is the case for any other model. For those interested in facts and results I can recommend following yt channels which show use of LED lights from various manufacturers ranging from extra expensive to extra cheap: https://www.youtube.com/user/medgrower1 https://www.youtube.com/user/EastCoastChameleon https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7seso9R8g3vUM9jD0vC9RA (And there is hundreds more) Most of them started with HPS so it's not perfect test but you can see results and why they moved away from HPS. It is also not that hard to google LED vs HPS yield/comparison/etc. and find tons of tests not only done by companies like those: And there is even more diaries with LEDs (including mine) giving good results. You can judge for yourself. We can of course argue whole day about PAR, maths, cost, light spectrum used in photosynthesis, Watts etc. Reality is HPS conservative heads are still there but facts meet them and grow diaries and videos proofing them wrong. LEDs produce, produce equally good and often better, cost you less in long run due to less W for same results, better spectrum, and less dealing with heat needed. Initially cost is still higher but it if you are on budget and prefer inferior HPS to brand new LED it is your call, maybe you should think about budget in long run. 600W LEDs (I'm talking how much pulling from wall to clarify) destroy 1000W HPS in terms of yield. There is nothing more to add here except for life expectancy 8 years where HPS life is 1 year (not too mention cost of ballast) . If anyone from new generation growers still fallowing advice on getting HPS instead of LEDs there is annual HPS lovers meeting, average age is 85 and it takes place in one of the biggest in country care homes, everyone is invited

I will certainly try them. Yes Ona Gel is very expensive. Where can I get them?