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Hello to everybody in the comunity, my name its David, im from Tucuman (Argentina), im starting for the first time with a Indoor and i will be gratefull if you can releas me from a couple of doubts and give  me some tips you think necesary, from now on im gratefull for everyone who can answer :)

(i apollogize from my english if you read something wrong :P )

Im starting with 2 plants in a space of 50 x 50 x 130 cm iluminated by 2 lamps LFC of 65w ich one, the plants allready have like 1 month of grow and going by his 6 noddle with a height of 40 cm almost. Im thinking to go on Floration with LED reflector light for the economy of consume and fresh goin (no so many heat produced).

...Now my questions if you can help xD

1 . If both plants result female i can go on floration in the same space without problems?

2 . Right When you know the sex of the plant you got to change light period for floration or its convenient to wait some more time still?

3 . witch amout of Lumens its Opimal for my space during the floration period? (So i can calculate the number of LEDs necesary :)

4 . wicth kind of fertilizer do you recomend and when start to use it...?

...WELL IF YOU CAN HELP ME I WILL BE VERY GRATEFULL OF YOUR TIPS xD

 

 

 

 

Hola a toda la comunidad, mi nombre es David y soy de Tucuman (Argentina), estoy comenzando por primera vez con un Indoor y agradeceria me aclaren algunas dudas y me den todos los tips que les parezcan convenientes, desde ya muchas gracias a los que se tomen la molestia de contestar ;)

Estoy comenzando con 2 plantines en un espacio de 50 x 50 x 130 cm iluminado con 2 lamparas bajo consumo de 65w cada una, las plantas ya tienen como un mes de crecimiento y van por su sexto nudo con una altura aproximada de 40 cm. MI idea es hacer la parte de la floracion con reflectores LED por una cuestion de economia de consumo y baja emision de calorias 

Ahora mis preguntas xD :

 

1 . si ambas plantas resultan hembras puedo hacer el floramiento en el mismo espacio sin problemas?

2 . apenas se sabe el sexo de las plantas se cambia el periodo horario para comenzar la floracion o es conveniente esperar un poco mas de tiempo todavia?

3 . que cantidad de lumenes son necesarios para el espacio en que estoy haciendo el Indoor? (para hacer el calculo de la cantidad de reflectores LED necesarios)

4 . que tipos de abono son convenientes y cuando comenzar a administrarlos?

 

*IF THE SPANISH ITS TO HARD FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND I CAN RE WRITE IN ENGLISH ;) YOU CAN ALSO ANSWER IN ENGLISH WITHOUT PROBLEMS xD THNKS YOU ALOT FOR THOSE WHO ANSWER <3

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PLEASE POST HOW YOU SEE THEM FOR THE TIME THEY GOT, LIKE 1 MONTH AND 2 WEEKS NOW, I WILL THANK ANY TIPS :)

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many thanks pal, im reading alot right now, triying to get the highst amount of info i can, like the co2 help and others, i was thinking more then 100 w LED at least but will see, im looking for wath i can get in here, its not a very big city so i try to manage the work whit the things i can fund xD

thanks and every tip its wellcomed :)

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i just added some pictures of my pryects xD please tell me how they look for the time they have grown (almost 6 weeks) and if you have some tips for growing strong, i just change soil with perlite mix  and using some potasio from boiled banan peel...

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Hi man! Thanks for sharing your pics and i hope you will find some good tips around here ;) 

 

Thefirst thing i could say is when i see grows with CFL or whatever small wattage lamps, i recomend growing in scrog or something that controls strongly the canopy, you need to try to get your internoads as short as possible and get as many top as possible, it is one of the best way to make sure to yeild properly in small grows.. just my opinion tho hehe ;) 

So i dont know it depends on how much you want to work on the plant you can go from Scrog with the Net to some supercropping with a good topping to create more branches, it will take you a bit more vegbut should be worth the final result. 

 

Have a good grow!

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thanks pal, im trying some Croping and Fiming right now, if i get a big bush i think im going to do something like Scrog, will see, i just put some pics of how looks like now the indoor with the LED light, i dont know if its going to work, i really see them less iluminated then with CFL light but will see, they are 2 LED RGB 100w each... if someone know maybe can clear me the doubt, the LEDS are not specially for growing, just regular 100w RGB LED light, its bether to put some blue on VEG and red in FLORA or just white (with all spectrum) i hope you can help me with that, greatings folks...

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well, i thinks most of the problem are solved, i have no more little bugs goin around, just start to give water to the plants by capilarity, add some sand to the top of soil and that just fix the flies problems, now im triying some low stress tecnique with the branches because im a little sad to croping them out, will see how it goes, and the last photo its the new wave of plants just starting to grow properly, well, see you later and keep waiting for some LED specialist to give me some advice about what im trying in my indoor, greatings folks and good grow

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Hey bud i wouldnt recommend leds for flowering especially for the $$$.Low yield and way too pricey.  For under half the price you can get A T5 HO Flouresecent fixture for a tight space like this. You can get a warmer spectrum lamp like 2700k for flowering or stick with the cool daylight lamps they often come with. The important things to consider with your space is the low profile and heat factors but you need even light intensity with yield potential. 

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if you had a 1mx1m space I would say a remote 315w Phillips LEC kicks arse for the same price of a led. But without knowing your climate I think the space is just too small and need more airflowso a low profile HO T5 Fluro with quality lamps is your best option for yielding this space. 

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'This is off monster garden and is the 8 tube 192 watt depending on heat you might want the 4 x 24w tube 2ft model for small space like this. 

problem with led  is that it has the color spectrum dialed in exactly on the correct nanometers for photosynthesis but have no PPF. 

PPF is the actual density of the light firstly it needs to be in the correct spectrum secondly it needs density-  higher photons per sec 

save your cash everyone the leds that are dialed in ($$$) still don't yield .. go for the new lecs or even low wattage MH and HPS and ensure to use reputable horticultural lamps?

Don't worry Leds will still flower your plants ok the yield will just be low for the price of the lights. 

 

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Nice tip Bro, i love to change them in the future, for now im very short of cash! XP

anyway, i will take the tip and use it when the time comes ;)

its a little obious for me that its a litle low on lights -.- will need to a change very soon

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1.  It appears to me that you have only one grow cabinet.  My first recommendation is to go ahead and build a second grow cabinet.  That way you can flip plants to flowering when THEY are ready without disturbing less mature specimens that require a bit more time in Vegg. 

2.  Your LEDs or other high output lights are more useful in the flowering area.  A couple simple Fluorescent tubes (cool white) are sufficient for vegging new sprouts, maintaining mothers and developing their clones in Vegg.  In fact, even with the relatively thrifty fluorescents, your vegg area will grow faster than you can bring them to maturity in the flower cabinet. That I can promise you.

3.  I will also say that air circulation is very important for the plants, even more important than trying to put together a CO2 system.  Air exchange with the air outside the grow area will naturally accomplish the CO2 exchange.  And air circulation within the grow area will ensure fresh exchange of air directly at the leaves, and that will also help to ensure no hot spots or moist spots.  Judging by the size of your grow box, that could be accomplished with a single ventilator of sufficient size. Just be sure that the grow area is not hermetically sealed.  If you exhaust outward, then there needs to be a way for fresh air to come in.  If you are blowing fresh air in, then there needs to be a way for stale air to exit the grow area, normally above the lamps so that the warm air constantly exits.

 

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exactly right man, even so thank for the tips, i have now twho areas with cooler for in and out air, just need to add some ventilator inside, the light in the Veg area are CFL lights 2 x 65w, works really great, the new ones are fast catching the size of the old ones (witch have no sex yet) so maybe the Flowering area its a little short on light i think, even if they look healthy i think more light will be very good for them, its sad im very bad at currency at the time, hahhaha. Well, will see how it pregress, thanks and hope for the bether ;)

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i Think LED its goin to be the best choice anyway but i think the LED i buyed maybe isnt enought for this case, im planning to create one of my own with red and blue 3w power led units, ill gonna post the result when i have the money for it xDxD 

thanks anyway, in my actual wheather i think still the best choice :D just goin to pass some time before i really manage the all thing.

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Just heard in the news last night that the average ambient concentration of CO2 in the earth's atmosphere has now surged to more than 400 ppm.  Scientists believe that this average ambient concentration CO2 of 400 ppm has not existed since over 5 million years ago, and that due to self-propogating properties of the phenomenon, this concentration will be virtually impossible to reverse for many hundreds of years.

Global warming is real.  Climbing the highest peaks will become more difficult requiring more oxygen bottles.  But the green plants of the earth can revel in the CO2, that is if they can withstand the other harsh conditions.

I know that cannabis growers who use CO2 prefer a concentration of ~1200 ppm, but simple ventilation and circulation is sufficient for healthy plants.

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yeap, they looks really bether now with the new ventilation, start with funncoolers and now just add one ventilator to increase the air circulation, its just reeeeally necesary for plants health, first i thought i whouldnt need it because the led lamp got low heat but the renewall and circulation of air intoo the indoor are really indispensable no mather what, thanks for the tips all of you, i still think im a little low on lummens on the flowering section but im very glad to tell you that at least the big one is without doubts a girl xD 

im dowloading some pics to upload here, the girl, the flowering section (very rookie style, do not crucificate me xD ), and the veg section with 3 very helthy fast growing allready FIM.ed plants.

For people who have some troubles with moist flyes and others the trap made with yellow plastic bottle and detergent work awesome :D

well, greatings and uploading pics just nowaerea flor.jpgevidence.jpg

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No, no, no, we don't crucify growers here.   LOL

Glad to hear that you have installed circ-fans and vent-fans.

Hey, you mentioned in your Intro that you are having very hot conditions outdoors, and it seems that you indicated that that was the reason you are growing indoors.  My questions (and tips):

Is the outside heat causing problems in the indoor grow as well?  Do you have a thermometer (and rH-meter) in each grow area?(recommended)  What are your temps and rH?  If you are having over-temp problems inside the grow area, is that the reason your leaves are wet?

I see water drops on the leaves of the plants.  I hope that is only from misting with clean water.  An occasional rain-style watering with clean water may be OK during vegg-phase, but I would advise not doing so after flowering begins.  Misting or watering on blooming plants can dilute or wash away the THC-laden Trichomes.  Or even worse, if the leaves/blooms remain wet too long, mold could develop.

 

In your Intro, you also mentioned that you mixed Perlite into your soil to aid in water-retention.  But as I understand it, Perlite is used to increase the drainage of soil, and that Vermiculite or silicone-gel balls are added to increase water retention.  Do you have a retention problem now?  If so, then it should not be too bad a problem.  Cannabis enjoys a soil that is well draining.  It only means that you will need to judge the timing of your feedings accordingly.  Cannabis does enjoy relatively dry periods between feedings.  The roots need that dry period in order to access oxygen at the roots.

Looking good, man.

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thanks for the tips man, i will answer a couple of doubt, in first im just doing indoor because i live beside a building and i never get much sun really so its imposible to me grow outside (beside of the neightbor problems LOL), i think i have no problems with overheat because the indoor its in my bedroom and much of the time i have my airconditioner on too, but i have to buy a termomether when i can for checking, about the wet leave its done from time to time with Neem oil to try get off some flyes a litle anoying even if i dont really see them attacking my plants i hate them a little bit, jajjajaj, anyway now i know at least one its a girl i will stop doing that. About the perlite, you right, i mistake about the function but i have no problem with retention i think, anyway lasty most of the time i water them by capilarity so i think its like something like retention XD, anyway i have to make the las repot so i will add vermiculite if i can get it because i was trying the las time and i really cant find a place who sell it in my place, if you got another tip before i repot please feel free to drop out here before i do it xD im doing this last repot because i didnt know about the little rock you have to put in the bottom of the pot for bether capilarity absortion. Well thanks for the tips and ill be waiting for them in the future if you have any other.

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Personally, I don't use capillary, I water onto the surface of the soil when I grow in soil.   Therefore, I don't add vermiculite.

In my opinion, the drying-out periods and the resulting air-infusion into the soil between feedings is so important that I wouldn't want my soil to retain much water.

You will have to decide for yourself whether you really want to increase the retention in your next batch of soil.

 

I have purchased Vermiculite before through eBay with no problem.  But after my initial use in a soil mixture, I have not yet used it again.  No need.  It's there though, if I ever need it again.

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ok, im doing dry periods too, just gaving water in days between or when the plant seems to need it, also someone says to me that vermiculite help on some plagues, IS this right? because that its the main reason for what im looking vermiculite for. PD: you let the plant soil dry entirely or just a little till its not too moist, anyway i think i will found the perfect balance with time, i think im not overwatering by now, i got a little gadget to mesure moist, ph and light but i think its not to sharp so i stop really taking notice of it. 

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PICTURE POST ACTUALIZATION xD

 

Weeds in the 16 week aprox.

Growing little buds allready and good news, the other plant its also a girls but are too small to take pic of them

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the second plants run ok in the 5 week xD

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Well Fellows, i hope your plants are doing just fine, im very glad with mines XD. See you around

 

 

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Well i have to say i am using it but didnt know really was so harmfull, i will change them then, what do you recomend? It is my first time growing so i expect i will have some mistakes more yet, jajjaja, i hope you tip me as much as you can, im eagering to know bether, regards pal!

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Good to see some flower fun starting here ;) they looked a bit stretchy but thats normal in the conditions you have, beside this it look promising for you ;) they look healthy nd happy with those long hair growing ;)

 

Have a good grow man

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thanks Pal, the last pic where the plants looks a little short of space its from the VEG area, they are growing fast but i have no place for relocate them till i have flowered the first ones, still i think im learning alot with this first ones so maybe the second run will have a bether ending xD 

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One relatively inexpensive source of mylar is those emergency blankets (chrome-color on one side, gold-color on the other side) used by rescue crews and by the Red Cross.  Through ebay or amazon, they can be bought for about 1 or 2 Dollars or Euros per pack, each pack is about 1,5 m^2.

By wadding it up a few times, you can simulate the diffused reflection similar to the "diamond" reflection material used in some commercially available grow tents.

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On 12/09/2016 at 8:45 PM, I'm Sal said:

Hi Peter, welcome and I will try my best to answer your questions:

 

1 If you ladies are Both plants will have no issues flowering them together in the same tent, That is exactly how ITS done.

2 When you know They are ladies (pistils) you can flip them to flower at any time but alternating node structure (phyllotaxy) is a very good sign That your ladies are sexually mature.

3 Most Suggest That a minimum LED current 25 watts are required in your area THEREFORE I would go for more than this aim. You have 2.70sqft therefore I get to Suggest you with a REAL LED unit from the wall wattage output of 100watts at Least Which would give you 37watts per sqft. I would try for even more to be honest. You need full spectrum LEDs if you plan to use the same lights and flower During veg veg During Because They need more blue and when to flower they need more red.

4 Because you are new to growing I would find the Easiest method as nutrient require some mixing parts A & B. I use the range and Growth Technology They are very good and easy to use. Nutrient products are difficult to choose on Because there is so many different brands but try the MOST simplest ones as you are new. When to start is all dependent on what media you plan to use, if soil, some Already have enough nutrient supply to last a few weeks so no need to use anything else Until later in the grow so you will need to choose how you plan to raise plants you. Besides, you plants will tell you When They are hungry but you need to know the signs so I almost always used a lot of research is needed.

 

Hope this helps and if others Have any comment Please pull me up.

hello 7manos,my first grow was like your grow,end o start the flowering 12light,12dark.....dont go to veg to flowering,and go back to veg..the leaves will curl,and the plant dies..you can grow wit that cfl,but it will be poor result,my firt plant lemon skunk 100w-6400celvins(blue light) cfl give me some buds,along the years my skills grow.....get much informaçoe read a lot,and aske for help in this forum.......one love

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