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Weights today:


DD 12.9kg dry weight. Note from last feed (24/12) said VERY high ppm (1907ppm), so semi-flush today. Gave 12l @ 336ppm (0.5ml/l Bloom A&B rather than full dose of 3ml/l) in 5.8ph - 6.46ph out of 1400ppm of 2.0l  - HIGH PPM so FLUSHED with 12l @ just 50ppm in 6.37ph - 6.5ph out of 1250ppm, still high. 24.5kg wet weight


Nebula 14.6kg - a couple more days before same as DD above.


JW 12.0kg dry weight. Note last feed (22/12) was said high ph. 12l @ 507ppm (1.0ml/ll Bloom A; 1.0ml/l Bloom B; 1ml/l CalMag) in 5.8ph - 6.10ph out of 906ppm of 1.6l  - OK


IC 19.5kg - perhaps a week before next feed.


SS 11.7kg dry weight. Note from last feed (18/12) said to lower ph. 12l @ 725ppm in 5.0ph - 6.37ph out of 870ppm of 1.8l - HIGH ph AGAIN - 20.3 wet weight (1.5ml; 1.5ml 1ml)

 

I'm running out of Shogun Hydrobloom A&B.  Granted, I bought the wrong one and should not be using hydro stuff on soil, but waste not want not and it seems to do the job.  .  I was tinkering with the idea just before Christmas of breaking into the GreenHouse Feeding's Bio Bloom feed I received for the White Rhino competition, but I resisted the temptation as I did not want to mix up the these results with these nutes.  So, these girls will be on a bloom diet of sorts this grow from now on.

A month  since switch to 12/12.  I'm guessing I'm in week 3 of flowering, so 6-7 more to go and the last 2-3 of those will be flushes, so 3-4 more weeks of feeding to eak out. 

 

Photo's are IC, IC & JW, and SS in the kitchen resting after being fed.

 

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OK, did not wait two days for Nebula as it's NYE and I doubt I'll be able in the next couple of days, so did her today.

 

Nebula 13.7kg 12l 50ppm (flush first) in 5.95ph - 6.50ph out of 1135ppm of 2.1l - HIGH ppm considering 50ppm in, so again .....

                           12l 450ppm in 5.95ph - 6.30ph out of 1100ppm of 12l (0.5ml Shogun HydroBloom A & B ; 1ml PK Warrior) - OK-ish 

No more watering/feeding for at least 5 days for any of them, so filled up the indoor water butt with outdoor (cold) run off to heat it up to room temperature of those days.  Realised while I'm running out of Shogun HydroBloom A & B, I have lots of Shogun PK Warrior.  This is Phosphorous and Potassium at 18/9 ratio. Says "Use from the fourth week of the flowering cycle (or when flowers and fruits begin to form) and for a period of four weeks", so a little early.  Lets see.

 

FYI I have:

110w real draw of fans (spread over three fans, two underneath; one near the intake and one on the opposite side, and one on top blowing under the light) (37p/days)

65w real draw extractor fan  (21p/day)

690w real draw from 660w HPS (£1.16/day)

 

So ~ 870w real draw during 'daytime' (12 hours), and ~175w real draw at night (water heater draws 330w, and is used the two nights before watering/feeding, so ~ 500w real draw those two nights).  So roughly £1.75/day, say 4 months = ~ £210 on electricity per grow.

 

 

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Hello, gardener friend. I've taken a look at your follow-up and I liked it a lot (do not give it to everyone I like if it will not block you with so many hehe hee hee) I'm left wanting to see how the thing continues.
 
 
Greetings and luck
 
Arrankeddj
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Top left: IC (59cm); Top right: JW (89cm);  middle: SS (56cm); bottom left: Nebula  (58cm); bottom right: DD (56cm).

I've raised JW on two giant jenga bricks to more of it's colas gets light.  It's ~20cm taller than the other plants.

 

All are going great guns on pistel development, MUCH better than my first grow and that was good. 

 

Humidity is a bit high, ranging from 50-70% but there's lots of air flow so not an issue (but something I'll keep an eye on).  Also, as I move the plants in and out of the tent, I get to have a good look at them regularly and they don't get tangled up. Temps are lowering to ~ 75F, and ~ 65F at night.

 

The smell just after lights go off is soooooo strong, so strong that the carbon filter can't cope for about 30 mins.

 

I'm learning that the bigger the pot, the more the plant can produce from a single seed.  While I like growing plants, I also like to think I'm helping the plants I grow get to their full potential and feel that finishing them in what is my medium size pot (11l) would do them a disservice (5 x 46l pots fit in my 1.2m2 2m height tent easy).  Granted, smaller pots mean more difference strains of plant can be grown.

Be the plant baby!  As a plant, what would you like?  Large pot or small?

 

As a grower, I'd like a bit of redundancy just in case something goes wrong with a  plant, so I'm defo steering to max 4 plants in their final 46l in my tent, and perhaps on another grow I'll just do 2 plants.

SS still has that bit of leaf damage from a deficiency/excess, and Nebula has a little of it now. They seem to be fighting through it though.

 

Nebula, JW and DD got massive doses of nutes early on which they're working through (EC was up to 4.0!).  New nutes will not have any nitrogen in to promote the plant to start using the overabundance of nitrogen in their leaves (they're very green) - well, that's the plan. PK Warrior 18/6/(5.1) potassium/phosphorous(/sulphur) for them. 

 

Harvest date is scheduled for Valentines Day.  This means I can pop the White Rhino seeds for the competition around middle January and my large tent will be available when they need it.  Currently deciding what my strategy will be for the White Rhino competition considering the change from liquid to solid feed (powder).

 

 

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Shaggy your tent is well goed filled your leaf look very healty B)

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What an excellent thread.

Newbie grower what a skill you have, growing several plants of the 

same strain is not so hard but when running 4 different strains

looking as healthy as those is not so easy, you have done extremely

well in my opinion.

The training you have been doing is excellent, i am looking forward to 

your rhino entry in the competition.

PEACE and RESPECT:heat::clapping:

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Ve mata al verde, ¡ahí ves a la mujer!!!! :imsohappy:

My mouth is water

 

Greetings and luck

 

Arrankeddj 

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Your mouth and mine, @Victorarrankeddj

 

This is a snap of Dutch Dragon (DD).  I've edited the photo to highlight the trichomes.

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 Ice Cream (IC) belowDSCF3469.thumb.JPG.95b47a5a3c451f223d7c30e41bfd00a4.JPG

 

Sensi Star below

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Jacky White below

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Nebula below

 

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My mother who paints has those buds

 

You must be in glory with that fragrance and colors, right?

 

I am amazed with these beautiful photos

 

Greetings and luck

 

Arrankeddj 

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Hi @Victorarrankeddj,

There is a fragrance(s), but it's muted compared to 5 mins after lights off and then BOOM, a HUGE amount of fragrances which last for about 10 mins.

 

Colour wise, it's just shades of green (and white with the pistils) atm.

 

If you want to see beautiful photo's, see @Jose.gh thread here: 

They're the bar for photo's, imv, and learning my camera is work in progress for me (along with growing).

 

DD's was 12.9kg and SS was @12.7 kg, @ 11.30am, so tomorrow will be feeding/watering day and I guess they'll be below 12kg by then so will be fairly dry.  Water butt is at 18.5C (up from near freezing outside) after 4 days of ambient room heating.  Aquarium heating rod on tonight to get it to ~22C for tomorrow.

 

Good luck!

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Weigh in's last night and I was worried they were getting too dry (< 12kg) so gave them a small drink/feed with (I could not resist) some GHF Enhancer.  Blimey it's a funny colour!  ph'd 5l RO to 5.0 then added 5g of Enhancer and mixed for 5 mins. 7.78ph afterwards. GULP!  Gave them a dose as below (plants current dry weights plus when Enhancer I gave) :

 

DD 10.9kg +1.2l = 12.1kg
Nebula 13.7kg +0.6l = 14.3kg
JW 11.5kg +1.2l= 12.7kg
IC 12.2kg +0.5l = 12.7kg
SS 11.5kg +1.2l = 12.7kg

 

Fed this morning as follows (12ml Shogun Hydrobloom A & B [third dose]; 12ml PK Warrior [full dose]; 12ml CalMag [full dose]; 3ml 12% Hydrogen Peroxide,  @ 23°C

 

DD 11.2kg dry weigh; 12l @ 6.04ph of 755ppm 22.2c and 6ml-12%HP in, 6.70ph 980ppm 20.3°C  - ph a little high, ppm a tad high
Nebula tomorrow or Wednesday
JW 12.1kg 12l 6.10ph 728ppm 23.8c 3ml-12%HP in, 6.21ph 881ppm 20.8°C 2.2l out - OK
IC 12.2kg 12l 5.92ph 790ppm 23.8c 3ml-12%HP in, 6.77ph 824ppm 20.6°C 2.1l out - ph a little high
SS 12.2kg 12l 6.12ph 830ppm 24.2c 3ml-12%HP in, 6.44ph 955ppm 20.3c°C - OK

 

I did quite a bit of defoliation over the last three days, so now there is lots of air in the middle of the plants (fan leaves in the middle removed) and light can get to the buds better. 

Question for the board:  which is the better time to defoliate; when the plant is dry (nearing watering time) or when the plant is wet (just after watering)?

 

Pics after I've walked the cats.

 

DD drinks like a fish.

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Nebula is 12.5kg so still a little ways to go before watering/feeding.  After a bit of defoliation on the plants, I guess they'll be using less water as well as not being able to transpire as much.

 

Was worried about this set of 'balls' on Nebula below:

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Below's a Sensi Star bud forming:

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Dutch Dragon below:

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A scene with the tall Jacky White in the background, and Sensi Star & DD front and right respectively:
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Hooray- they not balls, they are preflowers

covered in glorious trichomes.

PEACE

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20 hours ago, slimjim said:

Hooray- they not balls, they are preflowers

covered in glorious trichomes.

PEACE


Indeed. 
"Balls" tend to look much more like micro bananas. No irony in that.
It seems your preflowers developed into "full" flowers. 

I have a question though. Since i never had a male (luckily for some), i was wondering if removing the "balls" from an impollinated plant would stress the plant even more to produce, indeed, even more seeds. Like the reaction you get when you don't "ninja-attack" the spider mites, and they go haywire and destroy your crop.
I mean, if you spot "balls" and remove them, will the plant go haywire, thinking of an attack to its reproductive system, and produce double seeds?

Anyway, your "babies" have gone crazy! Look at em, so healthy and thick!
Keep up the great work Shaggy!

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Hi @LedCherryBerry,

 

Thanks. 

 

I'll keep an eye out for micro bananas.  I've not had any males either yet (finger crossed) so don't have any answers I'm sorry.  But if someone attacked my balls, ..... :censored:

 

 

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8 hours ago, ShaggyGrower said:

But if someone attacked my balls, ..... :censored:


Exactly my thought. I'd be pretty.. "pissed".
Ok i'll go away.

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It is highly possible @LedCherryBerry although some hermies only

produce a single nanna and others are cover with them, i guess

its down to how much stress they had or traits of genetics.

Hope this helps a little.

PEACE

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On 09/01/2018 at 3:05 PM, ShaggyGrower said:

Nebula is 12.5kg so still a little ways to go before watering/feeding.  After a bit of defoliation on the plants, I guess they'll be using less water as well as not being able to transpire as much.

 

Was worried about this set of 'balls' on Nebula below:

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Below's a Sensi Star bud forming:

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Dutch Dragon below:

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A scene with the tall Jacky White in the background, and Sensi Star & DD front and right respectively:
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Looking good now Shaggy 

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7 days since feeding/watering DD, JW, IC and SS.

 

Weigh in:

 

DD 10.2kg 11l 6.32ph 700ppm 23.4c 0ml-12%HP in, 6.91ph 1143ppm 19.5c. 0.95l out.  kg wet  - ph a little high again, ppm high again.
Nebula 13.8kg - leave a few more days (~2-3)
JW 12.7kg - leave a few more days (~1-2)
IC 13.9kg - leave few more days (~2-3)
SS 14.9kg - leave a few more days (~3-5)

Plants will be using less water due to the defoliation last week.  I think the defoliation (like topping) will set them back a week as I've learned from my previous grow.

 

Temps 60F-80F

Humidity 45-65%

Lights 11.40/12.20 (day/night, -10 mins every week now)

 

660w HPS ~ 50-60cm from tops.  Means no light burn or heat burn, plus that far above the canopy means the light will stretch to the edges of my tent.  Any closer, and it would not.

 

I've extended the tend a little by placing bars and bodged extenders (16cm ph boxes wedged in).  Worked out that's an extra 8% in tent space at canopy height.  The more the merrier!

 

Happy Growing & Good luck fellow farmers.

PS, this week I shall be popping the White Rhino contest beans!

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Nicely done, as alwyas. Love the tech reports!

Humidity is a bit high, though it seems not to be a problem. 
You could place some salt bowls near the pots, so that drains humidity faster.

Consider that the White Rhinos are going to take a good 10 weeks for the flowering stage.
I think i've already asked you this, but i can't remember: how many weeks do you plan to leave them in VEG?
I'm having trouble myself figuring out the correct schedule. I figured 18 weeks (8+10) starting from 7th January, but transplanting in time is going to be a real pain in the arse, just sayin'. 

Anyway, can't wait to see this grow done, and your buds ready. Remember to leave Scooby a snack! ;)

Peace

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Thanks @LedCherryBerry.

 

Yes, I'm keeping an eye on humidity but feel I've got a handle on it.

 

I've popped my White Rhino beans just a few hours ago! I'll update that log in due course.

 

[spoiler alert]

(~8 weeks. 2 weeks seedling; ~6 weeks veg [12/12 perhaps week 7]; ~10 weeks flower. )

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I've seen the update, well done! Can't wait to see how your girlies grow.
Yea, we got pretty much the same schedule, only diffrerence being that i've started them a week earlier.
I plan my harvest around 16May, but it's much more probable the 12th, or the 19th, as the 16th falls right in the middle of the week (It's a fucking wednesday! I HATE WEDNESDAYS!).

Just a tip. Remember to put a transparent cover above the new seedlings (when born). It'll help increase humidity.
Sayin' this cause i forgot and feel a bit like a moron. 

I've heard around that the phenotypes from WR can vary quite a bit. Some could drink nutes like an alcoholic, others refuse to accept a light mix. 
I'm already seeing differences between the 2 in the seedling stage. WR1 is taller, have its leaves wide open and seems like to be the one who stays. WR2 is smaller, and its leaves have a much more "indica" touch. I'll post a couple pics in, indeed, a couple days (17-01).

Shit i just love this plant. 

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Week 5 Day 1 of flowering

 

Plants seed to have recovered their thirst after the big defoliation of 5-8th Jan.

 

DD 18.1kg (watered/fed yesterday)

Nebula 12.4kg (back to 1.4kg/water/day)

JW 11.4kg (did not defoliate as much as DD, Nebula & SS - as a test - 1.3kg/water/day)

IC 12.4kg (did not defoliate as much as DD, Nebula & SS - as a test -1.5kg/water/day)

SS 13.9kg (did a huge defoliation on this one, so still recovering, but recovering ok - 1.0kg/water/day ).

 

Nebula, JW and IC will need water tomorrow. 

I'll be following GHS's advice and flushing with a mild feed (EC 1.0, 500ppm) and then flush with 2 x 12litres.

 

@Jose.gh or @Cannabissapean (or anyone else).  I'm a bit confused with the GHS videos.  They say the special thing is to feed a mild feeding solution and then flush (they flush with 60l).  So do they flush with the 60l immediately after feeding a mild feed; or wait a few hours after the mild feed before the flushing, or what?

Arjan in his 65l pots in the GHS videos said light feeding then flush and let dry out for 5 days, and all of this in one week.  If I give a light feeding, there is no way in a 7 day period I could mildly feed a plant; wait for it to get super dry then flush; then wait another 5 days.

 

Happy Growing fellow farmers!

 

 

 

 

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