ShaggyGrower

ShaggyGrower - White Rhino and BIO Feeds test

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Hi @OG.Naj @I'm Sal @LedCherryBerry

 

I'm sure they'd love full spectrum, but I've not got it. It's a grow with a 125w blue CFL and when I'm able a 250/400/600/660w.

 

I could give them a full-er spectrum by having them in the same tent sharing HPS & CFL light, it's a bit tight though in there atm.

 

Happy Growing!

 

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Iam not using Led but thats my futur gift for sure :-)

 

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Yo buddy,
Wasn't absolutely criticizing the way you're doing it. I've done way worse in the past ;)
Hps' are really good lamps, just be sure to cool it properly and you're in for good yields. 

I'm noticing nice growth on mine with fs led lamps, but i'm also noticing a scarcity of light output too, and i think i'll need to upgrade someday to a bigger, and more professional, led lamp. 

I gotta say, i prefer Leds for 3 main reasons: they run at cooler temps, they consume way less electricity, and do not require any ballast whatsoever (i'm a bad electrician).
And, it's bad to say it, but if i could, i'd force plants under blue-ish light: i ain't got that much height, so i prefer to sacrifice some light bands in order to get a much bushier, and shorter plant. 

Luckily, weed is, indeed, weed, and adapts very well to most of the situations.

Cheers!

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Watering day for M and 3.

 

They weighted 3.6kg, so this is my baseline weight.

 

Made up 4l of Enhancer at the recommended dose in the recommended way.

 

Gave them a ~2 litres each. Got ~0.5l run off and after a little dripping time their saturated weight is ~4.8kg. Details:

M 3.6kg  2l  6.7ph  180ppm  25c  0ml-12%HP in,  out 7.62ph  1643ppm c 0.4l out  4.8kg wet  - ph HIGH, ppm VERY HIGH
3 3.6kg  2l  6.7ph  180ppm  25c  0ml-12%HP in,  out 7.62ph  1643ppm c 0.4l out  4.8kg wet  - ph HIGH, ppm VERY HIGH

So, each of these 11l pots holds ~1.2-1.5kg of water.

 

Will monitor weights to tell me how long each watering lasts - hopefully a week as it's a nice round figure :)



Happy Growing!

hat tip to @g22 for the cover tip.  I've no nice black paper, so cardboard will have to do :) 

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Good going, healthy progress.

Maybe replace cardboard with granular medium as

not to upset air replacement and ease of watering,

an excellent idea when they drying to quick.

PEACE

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Really good start... whish all the best for the contest... I'm sure you'll do good job with you plants... Cheers & salute !


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OK, so shamed into getting an LED, .....

;-)

So, the Viparspectra Reflector-Series 300W LED is installed, hence the pinkish tinge.

 

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Happy Growing!

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5 hours ago, ShaggyGrower said:

OK, so shamed into getting an LED, .....

 

I see no "shame" in getting an LED at all. You will see the wonders it makes within days.

 

Especially the brand you have chosen because out of any lighting source & brand, within my budget range, the ViparSpectra brand wins hands down because does exactly what its supposed to do efficiently .

 

What made you choose ViparSpectra out of all the countless that are out there currently?

 

In my "old", as I would class them, growing days I would use MH only during veg and I thought they were good....these LED's, I would say are better, much better even.

 

I have tried and tested them many times and they have such a spectrum, with both VEG & BLOOM switches on, which seem to send plants into overdrive during veg and early bloom but I have always used an additional "RED"er LED unit during flower.

 

I remember when these units hit the market a few years ago now I think and they had a "similar" but "different" spectrum in some way to all the other LED manufacturers such as Mars and others within that price range. Anyways, the spectrum that is used was tried sometime during the 90s , I think, by NASA with very good results. I remember digging some old documents off the internet and sitting for hours with them and there is some interesting reading. Sorry but I can't seem to find where I put them now.

 

Anyways, I did a decent bit of digging before I got into the LED way forward and the whole market is an absolute minefield and that is still the way it is today. Amazing the units that are being assembled, sorry "manufactured" by certain LED lighting "premier" brands are no better than CERTAIN "budget" brands.....the only difference is the inflated retail price totally omitting the fact that most of those units came from the very same factory....even down to their branded casings (which is an added extra should the client decide). Shameful and it does happen.

 

If I were ever to change it would be from manufactures such as Grow Northern Telos range or Timber Grow Light (DIY) who's kits are really top notch. If the latter were not in the USA I would give Timber a go because all the 3 ranges they have, CREE, Citizen & Bridgelux Vero series (in that order imo), are all top notch.  

 

Anyways, I'm waffling and need coffee and a smoke, some self grown Royal Creamatic from RQS is on the menu until I decide on something else. 

 

 

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Hi @I'm Sal,
 

My 'shame' was a joke (hence the winky face). 'Shamed' into getting an LED because LED growth seems very good thus far in the other competition grows, such as yours  :clapping:.

 

I chose ViparSpectra for two reasons (btw my 300w model does not have bloom & veg switches).  Brand is well known and has great reviews from many sites & customers.  The price on Amazon for the item has been reduced a lot since I looked before Christmas (to £75), so seemed like a good deal (although was £69 for a number of days according to camelcamelcamel.

My 300w has a slightly different light signature than the 450w: https://www.epicgardening.com/viparspectra-review/#Reflector-Series
 

More blue in it apparently than the 450w which is more of an all-rounder.

 

My two main reservations with LED are the problems that they are likely to give me.  Space (height) issues and the eye issues. 

My propagation tent is 24'x24'x35'. That 35 inches is the issue. My 11 pots rise 9inches, leaving 26 inches left.  If I'm supposed to keep the unit 24 inches above the plant, that's only about 2 inches growing space!

 

The other is I like to stare at my plants - not possible with LED's without special glasses (more expense).

 

I'm going to attempt to build a hanging table in my HPS tent so I can hot-swap the plants into there during that grows 12 hours of daylight, together with the LED above so they get some HPS light and the finishing off grow can utilise the spare LED light, and also for a little more height availability.

Real draw is ~866w with LED & HPS on full blast, ~1000w with fans etc accounted for.

Happy Growing!

 

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real wattage correction

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2 hours ago, ShaggyGrower said:

Hi @I'm Sal,
 

My 'shame' was a joke (hence the winky face). 'Shamed' into getting an LED because LED growth seems very good thus far in the other competition grows, such as yours  :clapping:.

 

I chose ViparSpectra for two reasons (btw my 300w model does not have bloom & veg switches).  Brand is well known and has great reviews from many sites & customers.  The price on Amazon for the item has been reduced a lot since I looked before Christmas (to £75), so seemed like a good deal (although was £69 for a number of days according to camelcamelcamel.

My 300w has a slightly different light signature than the 450w: https://www.epicgardening.com/viparspectra-review/#Reflector-Series
 

More blue in it apparently than the 450w which is more of an all-rounder.

 

My two main reservations with LED are the problems that they are likely to give me.  Space (height) issues and the eye issues. 

My propagation tent is 24'x24'x35'. That 35 inches is the issue. My 11 pots rise 9inches, leaving 26 inches left.  If I'm supposed to keep the unit 24 inches above the plant, that's only about 2 inches growing space!

 

The other is I like to stare at my plants - not possible with LED's without special glasses (more expense).

 

I'm going to attempt to build a hanging table in my HPS tent so I can hot-swap the plants into there during that grows 12 hours of daylight, together with the LED above so they get some HPS light and the finishing off grow can utilise the spare LED light, and also for a little more height availability.

Real draw is ~866w with LED & HPS on full blast, ~1000w with fans etc accounted for.

Happy Growing!

 

 A little tip, totally ignore the height recommendations because they are not correct.

 

You can get the LEDs a lot closer to the plants than 24".

 

Feel the heat with your hand to get the range then let your plants decide if its too hot and/or intense then adjust accordingly. 

 

Currently I have the 2 x 450s (approx 375 REAL watts combined) running at about 10" above the plants and keep a very stable 26C lights on and 22C lights off with the plants showing no signs at all from light and/or heat distress.

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Thanks @I'm Sal,

 

I've moved it a little closer (18-19 inches). 

With my light meter, this seems just outside max range (~170k lux) by about 3-4 inches (so is at ~ 60k).  When the plant are bigger, I'll move it in closer still to ~ 16inches and see how it goes.

 

Think I'll wait for my (two pairs of ) ratchet hanger cables to arrive (£4.99 a pair on Amazon, bargain!). Almost had 12kg of seedling fall on top of Ice Cream! So they're on a chair now.

 

Gotta say the LED lights are making my flowering buds look amazeballs.

 

Happy Growing!

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Any of you noticed the four-petal leaf?

Two of them (that have got that big, M & 3) have a one petal leaf, a three petal leaf, a FOUR petal leaf and a five petal leaf.

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Happy Growing

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Hello @ShaggyGrower,

 

Great to see that you have a good led panel for the next of your grow, can wait to see what can give that good for your grow.

 

Do you are on 18h light on or already on 12h on, I ask taht because i see you other plant on flower

 

Have a nice and healty grow dude

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Hi @OG.Naj,

Day 18 for 'M'. Day 8 for '6', with '3' ~ Day 15 and '5' ~ Day 11 (from breaking soil).

The WR are still on 24/0.  They are sharing the HPS tent with their big cousins for 11.5 hours of the day, then I move them (and the LED) back into the propagation tent for the other 12.5 hours. They are close by and I have the time to do this - such hot swapping won't be everybody's cup of tea.  'M' and '3' will go to 18/6 when they reach 21 days since breaking soil.

A few stray LED protons hitting my 2-3 weeks to go buds can only be a good thing :) (I hope).

Have you got any 4-petal leaves on any of your WR?

 

Happy Growing!

(fyi, the probe end is on a cola closest to the HPS light to give a canopy temp for the HPS)

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Ok thanks for the answer dude!

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Had a re-think and at day 18, figured M and 3 needed a little sleep/dark period, so popped them in a warm closet with air movement for 6 hours. 

 

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H202'd the propagation tent as per one of Franco's tips while it was empty.

So, WR lights off for 18/6 will be from 1pm-7pm to fit with the first-to-know-what-I'm-growing schedule.

 

5 & 6 still on 24/7.

 

Happy Growing!

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Wow! A lot of info in a few days!

It seems that all go well, good transplant :) In addition, the buds of your crop arming are also very interesting, Can we smoke them? : D: D: D

Good job!

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Oops, 'M' looking sad:

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Realised the folar spray bottle I was using for two days was the H2O2 3% cleaning bottle!  DOH!!! :scare:

What a muppet!

 

 

 

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After realising the damage I did yesterday, and additionally not having complete confidence that I know how to use the 200w LED yet (distances), I've switched back to the 125w blue CFL to go-with-what-I-know through this difficult period (which granted, is not a lot). 

While M & 3 are not happy, I think they will survive & flourish.

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@ShaggyGrower Not looking great but in the same time I'm pretty sure that  in one or two weeks this event will be forgotten... (they will survive no doubt about that...) and your flowering session will be a success 2. Wish you the best ! Cheers & salute !

 

Evolution666

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4 minutes ago, g22. said:

@ShaggyGrower

damm a chance you dont use hp at 35% i read in lower dosage its goed as foliar spray hp

 


Hi @g22.

It was HP @ 11.99% diluted down to ~3%, fortunately. M & 3 were showing signs of damage before the HP (burn I think).  Fingers crossed!

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