Guest Elias Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 @Dust No outdoor grow my friend just planning on taking full advantage of the free light that is the sun...They say it is the best light possible, need to be carefull not to be too "flashy" putting the plants near my windows, but i really wanna try to put at least my best looking plants a few hours a day under the sun light... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flail Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 but what if you don't have the room to have a 750$ BIG grow room...I'm saying for Closet growers like myself, this is becoming a very relisitic choice..we are talking 10 feet square in total. temps get outta hand sometimes in this size space with a 400 watt lamp. (yes im exhausting but there is still the radiant heat factor that the fans can't really fix unless cool tubed.)So for the same price give or take the light ballist being slightly more exspensive$160 will get you a magnetic balist, wing or radial reflector and a bulb either MH or HPS ( commodity varity not your hortilux lamps)150$ will get you a 45 watt LED panel that will cover my area, and cost less, and might be alot nicer to live around with the grow door open during veg...If i was working with more room then that, yes that panel wouldn't be ideal, but that is the base line panel they have panels up to 500 watts.. but the pricing isn't as good of a deal as the 45 watters.These 45 watt panels are targeting a spesific use group.. and I happen to be in this USE group because of my current space limitations.BUT! if someone ALSO like myself wants to augment their HID set up but can't afford the heat or the extra power this 45 watt panel would be killer..would need to take more care in rotating and moving your plants.food for thought... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flail Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 @ Eliasdepending on your living situation you might be ableto get away with anged blindsso they let the sun in and not the veiws on nosey on lookers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest delicious Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Flail dear friend ... I didnt mean to make you focus on hps ... But you are forgeting about one thing lol ... Remember now )) ?? ( its cheaper than hps and it doesnt give much heat at all / and it has a great light spectrum - and they are very easy to set up - oh also they got red- blue - day light and some more types - they are energy saver-- the first letter is F guess what it is lol ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flail Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 OH, are you talking about LACK LUSTER CFLS?T5s are alright but i wouldn't bloom with just cfls... waste of effort.those lights arn't INTENSE enought... most plants over the height of one foot will show signs of lack of light in the under brush..unless you stack a shit tonne together.. and then you might aswell be getting into LED/HID territory.PSSST sunblaster cfls are bent T5s, decent for veg but i prefer Higher power for bloom.P.S. also, that panel draw the same power as ONE of those bulbs... do the math. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest delicious Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Well hids are litlle dangerous for wardrobe grovers like me ... And the reason why i am a wardrobe grower becase i dont have enough money ... 240 w led panel cousts 750$ ... 1x200 w cfl cost 60$ .... So now you do the math how much 200w cfl you can buy with 750 $ .... And at the end tell me if your 750$ led panel is more efficient or my 200w cfl's....also if you say your plants will be more budy and heavy under 240w led , compaire to 2400 w cfl ... I will say ... Or what ever i wont say anything .. .. Except some good congras Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flail Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 but thats the thing, you dont NEED 240 watts of LED power...there is ALOT of power wasted in HIDs, CFLS and florecent.their peak power spectrum is generally in the lowested used spectrum of photosyntiswhile LED gerenally have two peaks frequencies that have been taloired to the photosynsis range of plants.i'm sure for YOURS and MY situations, one low powered led panel would be more then addaquate.45-90 watt panels would work fine, in theory that is.and yes your CFL might cost your 60 to buy but its costing you 4 times as much in electricty as you would with a 45 watt panel.and for a point of interest. If i had to pick between 200 wat cfl and a 240 watt LED i'd take the LED out of the simple fact that i know it will yeild more, with more space and more plants (menaing yeilding better per plant basis)simple phsyics, science, and economics come into play here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest delicious Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Hey its just not right to put 200w cfl and 240 w led in same place to pick one of them.. ?ts like puting 60$ and 750$ in same place to pick lol ....of course 750$ will be better something compeir to 60$.... Dud you say " their peak power spectrum is generally in the lowested used spectrum of photosyntis" well its just not coming too true after all that hps work . And after all this beautifull buds... Beautiful plants ... And one more thing... when i look to the duch passions work the guy got 600w hps work from 300w led ... ?t meas just one thing to me ; there is nothing big deal about led except his too high coust and less heat giving property. And naturally ?t also means to me your 45 w led will be equal to 100w hps ( support light) .. But the thing is 45w led costs 150$ --check how much for 100w hps and its ballast... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_B Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 delicious, flail said that the 45 w panel he's talking about make light like a 400w hps/cfl ( he refers to lamp dunno wich one ) that's becouse of the output spectrum of the led, if you look around the plant absorb only a smal percentage of the light spectrum produced by a hps or cfl lamp, on the other side the led produces a focused spectrum the plant can absorb ( mostly red, blue and orange ) this way the power consumption is reduced not wasting power producing un-need spectrum/radiations , so a 45 w led panel produces as much absorbable spectrum as a 400 w lamp ( i don't know if a 45 w led panel = 400 w hps but you get the concept behind this ), the initial problem of the led was the wrong spectrum set-up for plants but now they fixed that issue and produces panels with different led colors to cover the needed spectrum for veg and for flowering you can see some numbers here ; http://advancedgrowlights.wordpress.com/category/growing-marijuana/Mr B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest delicious Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Hey cowboy slow your horse there .. Budy i am not having anytrouble knowing the great spectrum abilities of leds thats first ...i am saying its expensive ...and i am sayin rightbegining of the article says " Seymour’s original 350 gram from an Automazar was done with 290 watts of power and yet it looked like the result of 600W"" now tell me how the hell 45w led is emmiting spectrum of 400w .. With that math 90 w led = 800 w hid ... And that means seymours auto mazar must have give him 2400 w= ( 600w is giving like) 350gx 4 = 1400 gr lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest delicious Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Well i give this one again ... Because i dont want to seem like an LED against guy . ? know led is way more better .... What i say its also way more expensive.. Btw be carefull what you are paing that much money for... http://www.myhydroponicgardening.com/225-led-grow-light-panel-review/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flail Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 I don't know what to say to you.your denying the validity of proven scientific facts, I can site just about all my sorcesand none of which are BLOG sites whining about buying a seriously underpoweredLED panel.. 225 leds running at 14 watts? do the math thats not even 1w pre LED.This scientific information i speak of is readly available hell i can take pics of the articals i'm referancingif they are not available on the internet. HIgh Times did a WHOLE FEATURE about the science of light in the past 6 months.And please be clear on what i said, I didn't say that they plants don't photosynthis at the peak point of the HPS or HID spectrum.I said ITS THE LOWEST POINT OF PHOTOSYNTHISIS, so that action is stil happening. so just think.. if you were able to have similarintensitys (not similar amounts of light, similar intensitys) in those peak spots of photosynthisis you would need MUCH less power over all.http://www.sunshine-systems.com/GlowPanel-45-LED-Grow-Light-p/gp1-98567.htm28 watt stock Draw, I have the knowledge and ability to modify these panels to use more power.. (changing some LEDs from series to parrallel will accomplish this)and used in such a small space like mine I'd get the same results as a 400, using Mylar and great cooling, i'd have the panel at like 8-10 inches from topsplease do some reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest delicious Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 I post it because i wanted you guys to not buy that 225 shit ... And i dont denide it lol .. You just wrote some long article and you say i denide the leds !!!! great ... Like i post 2 times before this i am repeating again I KNOW HOW BEAUTIFUL LED SYSTEMS... But i guess you are repeating this words with your long writen post to take me some underpresure ... Well keep it like this way ... Keep wrting long articles .. and keep saying i denide From beginig i said cfl and hps is cheaper than led systems i still say every thing i sad ... Cfls useable spectrum 15% up to ... And hps goes to 30% ( and hps spectrum gets better by order from 100w to 600w and 1000 doesnt have anything different from 600w except his lumen thats a fact).... As a student i have used and will use HPS and CFL i own them joy ... I do defend them ... And i say they are cheaper that your rich ass led panel ... Also one more thing i hope you get your 45 w led panel and show me ... If it gives like 400w hps ... Like you guys keep repeating ... The guy used 300 w led and got 600w hps work ...lol If you are trying to be the hard boy ... Dont try on me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest delicious Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Didnt mentioned but I even have my own 1000 red only -home make wood led panel dizayn ... It gives 44w on leds 1 watt for resistors .. 50 volt dc transformator.. .. But you see this shit aint geting cheaper even when its home made ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flail Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 well DISPITE what you think my long articale are useful to intelligent people, why you fail to see any logic in it is beyond me.You are spreading uneducated misinformation, so do your self and everyone else a favor AND GET EDUCATED...FYI: being a student doesn't make you educated...I challange you HERE AND NOW, to show this THREAD VALID PROOF of what you say.Meanwhile Proving the point MYSELF being the "hard boy" you called it.I need to now go collect the VALID, RELIABLE AND HONEST FACTS to prove to you that what i am saying is true.also FYI: the spectrum as i call it doesn't change in grades of wattage value... same spectrum just MORE INTENSE!!!!same range of nanometres and same temps of Kalvin... JUST MORE LUMENSas much as MORE lumens help the plants IT IS NOT THE BE ALL END ALL..focusing those lumens in the PROPER SPECTRUMS WILL UNDOUBTABLY get you better results.PROVEN FACT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flail Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 also I challenge you to QUOTE MY POSTS where i am repeating myself... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bozoph Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 im with flail. cfls while cheap dont have the reach to grow big plants. this is coming from someone who has used cfl for preveg for more than 3 years.also if there is a 45w led that is compairable to 400W for the same price im all for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest delicious Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Who told i am educated ))) I am a unecutaded porn maniac man ... Just write what is the challange about ... Waiting for you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flail Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 stock panel draw 28 watts and is compairable to a 250..if i mod it like i intend using OHMS LAW i should be able to max out in the 40 watt range therefore boosting the effcintct to near a 400 watt hpsthis is from the same company i think that the light that your minin cooler is using, just their LED branch.i could also do it SIMPLE and just do two pannels.. in a small area, that would definatly do the job but wouldn't be compairable in terms of price to a 400 w hid for inital start up costs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flail Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 both challenges are layed out in PLAIN ENGLISH.-Provide Valid fact backing what you are saying... mean WHAT ARE YOUR SORCES...- PROVIDE QUOTES OF ME REPEATING MYSELF, i've look thru all the posts i've made in this thread, only thing i've repeated is the cost of the panel. and i havn't mentioned it in about 3-4 posts...you can actaully read my posts, or you can go on going like you are. Your just proving me right..back pedal some more why don't you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest delicious Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 I sad its expensive .. And i sad you can buy alot cfl .. And i sad i know leds are way more better ... And i sad please do show me if you get same yield from 45w led like 400 w hid ... Bozop I used also cfl but ... Show me where i dont agree the betterness of led ... But of course if you are agreeing with this syzofrena just because you want some action ... Yeah you deserve The Fail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flail Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 holy fuck man you must be able to MOONWALK in your sleep... your rediculas... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest delicious Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 I understand you are a small selfrespect problemed guy who is burning to show how logic he is ... But try to understand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest delicious Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Check my posts ok ... They are there and i am here... Now go get sleep... Dont make me swear to you ... I sad enough fuckk off this mount.. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flail Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 now you've turn to more insults... how stellar of you?lets re cap...this is what you've added to this thred UN EDITED i might add.. I tell you what is better than LED ; Stolen CFL. Well if siriusly ... Its just so expensive i mean for 1000 £ i can get 20x250w hps here and their balasts it gives me 5000 w pure sun .... ......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... Hell yeah if led goes down ... I am in but ... Dud wtf 45 w 150 $ - its like a 225 w for 750 $ ...oh hell no ... This is not the meaning of geting cheap ... This. Just means ...get less fucked lol ......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... I am not saying its bad ... I am saying its expensive ... You can have a great big grow room with 750 $ ......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... Flail dear friend ... I didnt mean to make you focus on hps ... But you are forgeting about one thing lol ... Remember now )) ?? ( its cheaper than hps and it doesnt give much heat at all / and it has a great light spectrum - and they are very easy to set up - oh also they got red- blue - day light and some more types - they are energy saver-- the first letter is F guess what it is lol ) ......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... Well hids are litlle dangerous for wardrobe grovers like me ... And the reason why i am a wardrobe grower becase i dont have enough money ... 240 w led panel cousts 750$ ... 1x200 w cfl cost 60$ .... So now you do the math how much 200w cfl you can buy with 750 $ .... And at the end tell me if your 750$ led panel is more efficient or my 200w cfl's....also if you say your plants will be more budy and heavy under 240w led , compaire to 2400 w cfl ... I will say ... Or what ever i wont say anything .. .. Except some good congras ......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... Hey its just not right to put 200w cfl and 240 w led in same place to pick one of them.. Ä°ts like puting 60$ and 750$ in same place to pick lol ....of course 750$ will be better something compeir to 60$.... Dud you say " their peak power spectrum is generally in the lowested used spectrum of photosyntis" well its just not coming too true after all that hps work . And after all this beautifull buds... Beautiful plants ... And one more thing... when i look to the duch passions work the guy got 600w hps work from 300w led ... Ä°t meas just one thing to me ; there is nothing big deal about led except his too high coust and less heat giving property. And naturally Ä°t also means to me your 45 w led will be equal to 100w hps ( support light) .. But the thing is 45w led costs 150$ --check how much for 100w hps and its ballast... ......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... Hey cowboy slow your horse there .. Budy i am not having anytrouble knowing the great spectrum abilities of leds thats first ...i am saying its expensive ...and i am sayin rightbegining of the article says " Seymour’s original 350 gram from an Automazar was done with 290 watts of power and yet it looked like the result of 600W"" now tell me how the hell 45w led is emmiting spectrum of 400w .. With that math 90 w led = 800 w hid ... And that means seymours auto mazar must have give him 2400 w= ( 600w is giving like) 350gx 4 = 1400 gr lo ......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... Well i give this one again ... Because i dont want to seem like an LED against guy . Ä° know led is way more better .... What i say its also way more expensive.. Btw be carefull what you are paing that much money for... http://www.myhydroponicgardening.com/225-led-grow-light-panel-review/ ......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... I post it because i wanted you guys to not buy that 225 shit ... And i dont denide it lol .. You just wrote some long article and you say i denide the leds !!!! great ... Like i post 2 times before this i am repeating again I KNOW HOW BEAUTIFUL LED SYSTEMS... But i guess you are repeating this words with your long writen post to take me some underpresure ... Well keep it like this way ... Keep wrting long articles .. and keep saying i denide From beginig i said cfl and hps is cheaper than led systems i still say every thing i sad ... Cfls useable spectrum 15% up to ... And hps goes to 30% ( and hps spectrum gets better by order from 100w to 600w and 1000 doesnt have anything different from 600w except his lumen thats a fact).... As a student i have used and will use HPS and CFL i own them joy ... I do defend them ... And i say they are cheaper that your rich ass led panel ... Also one more thing i hope you get your 45 w led panel and show me ... If it gives like 400w hps ... Like you guys keep repeating ... The guy used 300 w led and got 600w hps work ...lol If you are trying to be the hard boy ... Dont try on me ......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... Didnt mentioned but I even have my own 1000 red only -home make wood led panel dizayn ... It gives 44w on leds 1 watt for resistors .. 50 volt dc transformator.. .. But you see this shit aint geting cheaper even when its home made ... ......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... Who told i am educated ))) I am a unecutaded porn maniac man ... Just write what is the challange about ... Waiting for you... ......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... I sad its expensive .. And i sad you can buy alot cfl .. And i sad i know leds are way more better ... And i sad please do show me if you get same yield from 45w led like 400 w hid ... Bozop I used also cfl but ... Show me where i dont agree the betterness of led ... But of course if you are agreeing with this syzofrena just because you want some action ... Yeah you deserve The Fail now let me pick out one by one how you've back pedaled insulted and bend generally disrespectful.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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