"GREENOMATIC87" Auto Bomb test

[Gfarmer]

the way im gonna stunt there growth too both the la confidential and the great white shark is just by starting the flowering earlyer then usual i know its gonna be bad for the plant but i just wanna see what i can do with it my friend did the same thing with la condifential and he cut of the side branchs the plants where like 15 inchs tall but it was just one main cola it looked pretty cool so thats kinda what im going for if i cant do it with the great white shark then im just gonna do a completely organic water no nutes grow and make it end up smaller that way the great white shark in the grow sessions video in the soil side is a good size for my set up obviously mine wont get that big tho because the biggest containter i have to work with is 5 L's not 60l's.

my next great white shark grow im gonna try to get the best i can out of my set up with them but this time im just adding them to the grow to make up for the time i lost not transplanting the auto bombs quick enough and if they die or i have to let friend take them for a little while its not a big deal for me plus like i said ive probably i havent counted but i think i have around 50 GWS seeds in my collection and probably like 40 la confidential so im not worried about them not turning out the best its just that i buy great white shark the most out of any strain of cannabis so i wanna see if i can get even close to the result my club gets.

[Dust]

well what are you calling earlier? will not really boost the growth, you'll just have a little more stretch effect during your growth i guess ^^

Anyway we'll see what it will give, but as i see my 12/12 from seed ending, it shouldn't dispoint you i didn't cut anything tho

[Flail]

mine wont get that big tho because the biggest containter i have to work with is 5 L's not 60l's.

WAY WAY too small, thats JUST over one gallon.

your yield WILL suffer ( try not to compair your yeild to GH's yeild on this one, not eve in the same ball park.)

you plant will get root bound and not procuce well and might go hermie on you if you tryy to bloom it in those

the smaller pot techniques work with near pure sativas and haze's and that is to keep their height in control

smallest i am willing to bloom with is a 5gal (little more then 20 L )

3 or 5 gall for veg.

and you are using the term stunt, incorrectly.

blooming soon doesn't stunt them

i'd wait til i see a fan set or two (the first two sets dont count as one are fake tomato leafes the others are single petal)

and then flip them. (prolly takes 7-14 days under yur lights once they have cracked the surface)

start them in the smallest container you have and then transplant into well water medium. i wouldn't suggest going pure water.

in veg maybe but bloom you need to have the additives and chems for something that small.

if you have to work with the 5 l that is the only way to get the best plant out of it

I think that grower used only base nutes

nothign else

[Gfarmer]

yeah im using the 5L with the great white shark when its ready i desided finnaly just because its my favourite strain so wan it to turn out. but i have seen an la confidential plant grown in an even smaller pot then what im using yeild pretty decent and had no seeds. but if it turns hermie i'll try to deal with it if it gets to a point where it compromises the rest of my crop itll be hard but ill have to take her out back and stop her out.

also i didnt meen to compare my grow to the ghs grow session videos all i ment was the organic plant in the video yeilds 36 grams of dryed bud so i figure if i can pull like 25 grams off it in a 5L pot i should be alright i forgot to mention in my last post that i was considering transplanting it i just wasent entirely sure what i was gonna do because i only started doing this at my place in november so im still exsperimenting with different things to figure out whats best for my set up iive tryed using larger pots but a friend of my uses small pots on indica plants and i was impressed with his results but he uses strains that form differently and the great white shark your right it has huge leafs it and is a pig with the fertilizer so you right i shouldent risk it cause it would kill me to have that one go hermie. the thingis bigger then a 5 L and they wont all fit in my closet because i choose to do more then i should be doing for my set up . but im also working on upgrading my set up.

also in the green house seed company grow video they do a hydro and an soil grow the hydro they say they use full on nutrients but they dont say what they use and on the organic on they say just water in an organic set up no fertilizers added. so im assuming they are using an really rich soil base medium. im using a soiless medium tho so i am gonna take your advice and use my nutrients on it and im not gonna stunt it or however you do that im justt gonna flower it early and well see how it turns out. the LA confidential im gonna keep it in the small pot and just hope for the best. i think im gonna use my nutrient formula on each plant alittle differently starting with a low base level for all of them and then adjusting as needed.i have also started recording the growth of the plants and will post my measurements along side the pictures . if you are seeing that i just posted this stick around becuase im working on an update right now.

[Flail]

36 g dry from the soil bio gh grow.when the roots have 60 litres of space. you using 1/12 of the area and expecting 12 less gs?

I want to say your not doing anything "wrong", your are experimenting.

if your short on budget and need a bigger pot, PVT msg me your details and i'll run a 3 gal rootpouch

down to you to see if you do a test side by side with the same strain. this is how i leaned initially about the

importance of rooms for roots in medium I was using a 1 gal plastic and a 3 gal plastic the diffrence was obvious

I'll try to post pictures of my diesels, the biggest one is a male so its not the best repersentation but will kinda of give you and idea

of how pot size effects the plant. its a serious marked diffrence.

so ya man, send me your details (we can meet at a timmies if your nervous,) and i'll hook you up with that root pouch (8 or 10 inchs wide)

[Gfarmer]

yeah man that would be awsome ill private message you about my location and what not it would be nice to have somebody check out my set up. im in the works of saving up for a 400w hps or maybe even a 600W because i started to realize that the hear problems im having arent caused by the wattage. i have 2 ready assembled lamps 150W but the ballest is attached to the and from running my light 20 hrs a day the ballest is starting to over heat. so i think if i get a bigger light with a detached ballest i will be able to control the heat alot better

also i like reading through your advise i try to do things that are questionable some times just to get an idea for what to do and what not to do and just because i wanna figure out a solid method for my setup but sometimes i make desicions that arent the best because im new at all this growing under lights insted of the sun so having peole to question my methods, and reply with there results it helps me stay frosty the way this site is set up is just amazing its like facebook for growers and is helping me get more advanced with my capiblities and i wanna exploit this by making my grow sort of interactive any advise i receive i dont take it lighty i really consider what all of you guys are saying and try to use it to figure out the best way for me to be success full i can be stubborn at times but im trying to work on that

i would also like to thank everyone for there interest i was shocked to find out i passed the 1000 view mark already so early on in the grow i will try to keep this grow as interesting as possible and i am gonna take the testing more seriously from here on out with regards to posting my results

[Gfarmer]

UPDATE!!!! Day 20

everything is now transplanted for almost 3 days. the two auto bombs that where not looking so good have rebounded and even the leafs that turned yellow are starting to turn green again. so far the plants are all almost twice as wide as that are tall and on the two auto bombs that where transplanted earlyer on are really startinng to get bushy but i will let you all see what i am talking about .

Auto Bomb #1

height: 5inchs

width: 11 inchs

furthest internode distance: 1.75 cm

leaf width: 1.25inchs

leaf length:3.5 inchs

this plant was directly beneath the ballest that malfunctioned and over heated luckly there was no burn marks and is making a nice recovery i also transplanted this plant again into a much larger pot .

Auto Bomb # 2

height: 5 inchs

width: 11 linchs

internode spacing: 1.80 cm's

leaf width:1.25inchs

leaf length : 3.5 inchs

both a-bomb 1 and 2 are very bushy and short and you can see 5 nchs talls but 11 inchs wide and the inner bud shoots are so thick it was hard for me to get a picture of the stem.

Auto Bomb # 3

height : 2.75 inchs

width : 4 inchs

internode : 0.57 cm

leaf width : .5 inchs

leaf length :1.5inchs

Auto Bomb # 4

Height: 2.5inchs

width:3.25inchs

internode : 0.5 cm

leaf width:0.5 inchs

leaf length: 1.25 inchs

the la confidential and the GWS havent popped yet but i will update pics as soon as they do as you can see the two auto bombs that where dying in the small jiffy pots have taken to the new pots nicely even the yellow in the lower leafs is going away and the leafs are all pointing up. however they do have alot of catching up to do but so far i am very impressed with how uniform these plants are. also i have noticed a similarity to the big bang and the green o matic right now ive heard the big bang is sensitive to tempurature changes and high temps so ve been working really hard to keep my temps at 27 degree's or lower i hope you all enjoy the update for you veiwing pleasures i will post a few more mixed shots of my babies.

mixed photos:

[Dust]

Nice man finally some pics

They look really bushy compare to mine, nice man

Keep them growing steady

[Gfarmer]

yeah dust, sorry about the wait for the update i ordered a camera off ebay and ive been waiting on it to do the update my room has like the worst lighting ever and my current camera can handle pictures under the hps but this digital SLR from nokia i ordered is amazing it has a self focusing lens and micro capibilites and i know when i get it im gonna go picture crazy because i love taking pictures of marijuana plants with a good camera. it should be here any day now its been over 3 weeks if it isent here by tuesday tho im just gonna borough my friends camera so i can finally take shots of my set up and everything. so stay tuned for that because the pictures will be of magizine quality i donr know if any one saw the very first green o matic pictured i posted in november or december i used the same camera just on the fist update tho every other picture has been taken with this crappy digittal camera its really hard to get good pictures with it so thats why my last update doesent have very many photos.

once i get a better camera ill take a nice shot of the stem its so think and bushy its like a mini jungle ive never had a plant that was so stout and bushy and thats lower bud shoots developed so quickly. o also theres no way in hell i could geta photo of this that why you cant see it on my update from thismorning auto bomb number three has sexed it self alittle early but you guys said not to worry about it so im not gonna stress it shes still got alot of catching up to do.

also a side not both the GWS and the LA Confidential have popped i tryed to get a photo but the camera is having a hard time picking them up . i am really excited because these plants are the first plants im gonna be able to study the growth patterns of from thebeginning because i never thought before to keep a record of my measurements i really wish i had a digital ph meter and a digital ec meter so i could monitor those as well i use the test strips from ph but i bought the exspensive test strips they test nitrate levels, water hardness altogether 5 different tests but it's still just a test strip so i dont know the exsact amouts . so both those things are on the list of things to buy to very long list of thing to buy..

[Dust]

I'll be waiting for the nice camera then you better show us some very good porn plant when you'll have it

For the EC and PH meter, put that on your list as the next thing to buy if you have planned to become a serious grower i think it is a "must have"

have a good grow

[lamsbread]

Nice pics keep em coming eh.Will be awsome to see what you can do with your new SLR.

Can it do macro shots? Always nice to see close up shots of resin when budding

What light are you using in veg?

Have a great grow.

Peace

Lams

[Gfarmer]

hey the camera has a micro setting but i dont no if i can get close enough like a microscope ill try to get some nice pics of the resin for you guys im using hps straight threw and when i need alittle more light im gonna add some cfls so im kinda doing it backwards but all i have is hps and cfl i dont have metal halide and i wanted to go right from the beginning with the most watts i can do. i havent had a problem tho vegging with the hps im actually really impressed with the first two the lower bud branchs are all competing to reach the main cola.

i decided im only gonna try the fim technique on one of my plants because the two that got stunted i dont really wanna mess with since right now its right about to flower i figured now was the best time to do it so i cut half the to shoot of the main branch. i tryed to take picture but they didnt really turn out i will get pics tommorow when i borow another camera it went clean and its been quite a few hours so i think i didnt do that much damage. i also figured since the two first auto bombs are ruffly the same size this would bea good test to see wether or not the fim technique really hinders your yeilds on auto flowers. i also did a very minimal amount of pruning on the smaller growth near the soil i know people say the stress cause from pruning isent worth it on autoflowers because they wont have enough time to recover. i tryed it on my last grow on one plant and i noticed the buds where alot denser on the plant i did alittle pruning on so im not sure really whats better.

when i do pruning i use my finger nails as sissors i find that when you crush the cell wall with the dull ends of your finger nails the recovery time is alittle quicker if you do it quickly and clean it is easy however to mess this up if your not used to doing it.

also because i have only 300W lights and limited space i use a really light version of LST as the lower bud branchs start to pass the stems of the sunleafs above it i gentally push the sun leafs or the bigger leafs what every you wanna call them underneath the bud branch from below when you use low wattage the big leafs can sometimes really hinder you yeilds because of the amount of shade they produce by moving the leafs out of the way without cutting them off and doing this very gentally i get alot more light to areas of the plant that other wise wouldent get it and i dont risk hurting the flavour of the bud because the plant is still able to allow the break down of the sugars and stuff in the leafs during the flowering time that wouldent happen if you just cut them all off. its not ideal but it works to help the side branchs catch up and from what i can tell doesent really stress the plant out all that bad once the bud shoot surpasses the leaf i make sure the leaf is rested in a comfortable postion and repeat with the next leaf. i will post pictures of what im talking about tommorow for anyone who can understand what i meen.

[Gfarmer]

a sort of tribute to green house seeds nice close ups of my dayly smoke from my dispensary here in toronto. stay tuned for an update i just gotta get my smoke on!!!

jack herer from an ontario grower compassion club quality 9$ a gram.

white widow same deal 9$

and my favorite the great white shark at 11$

[Dust]

looking very nice man have a god smoke

[Gfarmer]

UPDATE DAY 23 ( this update is just gonna be a mix of photos and on day 27 i will get back with measurements for the week as well as the growth per day im keeping record everyday i just have alot i wanna show in this update.)

DAY 3 GWS & LA Confidential

i wanna start this post with a picture of the cut i made or my fim technique.

if anyone is wondering why the leafs are drooping the a-bomb 1 and 2 need watering and i took the pic's right at the end of the day.

a- bomb #1

heat stress on the leafs ive been watching the heat but the curling isent going away eve since the ballest over heated im gonna keep my eye on it!

auto bomb # 2 no fim

day 23 and look at this bud branch

auto bomb # 3

auto bomb # 4

GWS

LA Confidential

mixed and group shots

i wanted to post a pic of this leaf deformity i have found on a - bomb 1and 2

as a hole everythings going great im gon give auto bomb # 2 alittle time to recover from the pruning befor i transplant it into a bigger container for the flowering stage only auto bomb 3-4 have sexed them selfs and starting today they are all getting a lite dose of bloom nutes exsept the GWS and LA con they are just getting water straight up. anyways i wish i could have took the pictures right now ll the leafs are perking up but i only could get the camera when i could when mine gets here i will go crazy with the pics. hope you all enjoy!!!

[Nutes]

great stuff greenomatic mate, nice test going on

as for the inherent leaf curling you have ive always associated it with very low humidty in the grow room aswell as high temps

i had it on a couple of my girls when they were very small and i upped the humidity, added a little more air movement and the next nodes that grew all the leaves were fine. hope this helps mate.

anyway buddy all the best for the rest of the growth, il keep pooping in along the way

peace

[Flail]

those two plants want it colder (i can almost promise your humidity is fine.)

welcome to the world of plant talk.

your plants talk to you every time you are near them.

it is weather you are listening and attentive or not.

(asking questions when unsure falls under attentive)

Just because all the beans are from the same parents

doesn't mean that they are going to react all the same.

each bean has the potential to be a different pheno and

at the same time they have the same chance of being the

same pheno, its all a gamble.

if you can''t get much more ventilation going try raising your lights and inch.

having a temp gauge at canopy level helps, and remember plants need time

to react, they have very slow reactions based on human senses.

[Flail]

as long as those droopy plants NEED to be watered then yes (do the finger test if need be)

water them.

Over watering and under watering signs look very similar.

I've let vegging plants get to a worse point then they look and they bounce back

normally within hours of the feeding tho there have been exceptions (my last water

mishap to about 30+ hours to see a change)

[Gfarmer]

yeah it was the water i watered them right when i turned the lights back on four hours after i took the picture and now the leafs are all up and perky also they look extra droopy because i tuck my leafs under the lower bud branchs while the lights are on to get more light to the other tops and then i pull and slightly bend the tops so they are all facing the lights for the first little while it makes the plant look funny because all the sun leafs kinda get bent downwards alittle but once the bud branch surpasses the leaf i let the leaf rest.

before i took the pictures i was getting ready to shut the lights off so i un tucked my leafs and thats why it looks funny. its stressful to the plants but because i use such low amounts of light i have to make sacrifices to get all the light i can to the bud producing areas. i will post a picture tommorow to show you what im talking about i said yesterday i was gonna include it in the update but i forgot to. but you are right about over watering ive had a time where i over watered a plant and didnt see a change until the pot almost completely dryed out it took days i thought the plant was done for but then eventually it rebounded

but your right i need to get my temps down and i have finally today i brought the broken light back. and got it replaced with one that doesent have a ballest that rasies my temps almost 10 degrees you notice how only one of the plants is curling from heat stress on all the leafs that was the plant directly underth the ballest when it malfuctioned luckly it made my room so hot it woke me up and i caught it before the plant got any burn marks or irreversible damage. for the past couple of days i was dealing with this by keeping the light in frount of the fan and blowin the fan at full blast on it but now my room is finnally down to a comfortable 26 degrees.

alittle side note directed at dust. remeber the other day i asked you about pheno types being different. well i think this auto bomb has a trait to strech in the middle internode like mine hasent streched that much but its gonna in the next few days strech abit befor the flowering starts already i am noticing more of a strech on one internode on all the plants the plant i did the fim to isent streching as much. but all for of them in the middle are streching a bit but its all mainly just the one internode.

[Gfarmer]

thats a good idea ive had a few problems desiding wears the best spot for my thermometer the canopy level would probably be better right now i have it resting right in the middle on the edge of two pots but its at the bottom of the leaf growth my lights are pretty close even in the pictures i raised them a bit so i could get all 6 plants in the shot.

i dont know if this is normal for running lights for 20 hrs a day with autos but i find at the end of the day my plants are always droopy then when i turn off the lights they start to raise again not fully tho cause i only leave them off for 4 hours but two hours after turning the lights back on and they re all reaching the sky. i say two hours just because thats the time i take my measurements everyday im not sure how long it takes.

[Gfarmer]

MINI UPDATE!!! DAY 25.

so in my last update i promised i would post pictures showing you guys what i meen what i say i tuck the leafs under the lower lateral bud shoots. i have been doing this now only since the 19th so its been 3 full days and the branchs have started to level out which is great. i also wanna share some info about my fim techique how it effected the plant. now as i look around the auto bombs on the offical reports i noticed something that we all have in common between week 3-4 one of the middle internode streches significantly more then the other internodes.

on the day i made the fim cut the largest internode distance was 2.5 cm's on auto bomb#1 on auto bomb #2 i let just go naturally aside from some pruning. ins internode distance was at 3 cm's.

3 days later on day 25 auto bomb 1's largest internode difference is 3.75cm an increase of 1.25 cm's in three days whil auto bomb#2 largest internode distance is sitting at 5 cm's a full 2 cm's difference.

on the height side of things at the timeof the fim cut autobomb 1 was at 7.25 inchs 3 days later it is sitting at 9.5 inchs a 2.25 inch increase.

while auto bomb#2 was sitting at 6.25 inchsand 3 days later came in at 9.75 inchs a 3.5 inch increase.

so its pretty safe to say that fimming helped hinder the stretch alittle bit auto bomb # 2 is a full 1.25 inchs taller then auto bomb number 1 but autobomb number 1 at the time of the cutting was taller then auto bomb #2.

another interesting note in the last 5 days all of the plants have ether almost or more then doubled in size.

so now im gonna show you guys a few pictures of how i tuck my leafs under the lower bud shoots to get more light on all the tops. this isent a technique i read about or something its just something i thought to do while looking at my plants one day and it seems to be working so i kept doing it. i have to resort to plant manipulation inorder to compensate for my lack of wattage i also manipulate the light and space when i can as well using white cardboard walls. altho before the buds form i am gonna by a roll of mylar.

a side note as of today all of the auto bombs have showed there sex !!!

mxed pictures of auto bomb 1 and 2 with tucked leafs

so as you can see its working. the lower bud branchs are getting longer and all evening out once i pass the next level of sun leaves i am gonna stop and just let her go on her own from there. i like tucking the leafs as oppose to tieing down or cutting off because at night time i can un tuck the leafs and relieve the plant of the stress. and for cutting off the leafs i dont like making cuts unless i feel its necessary. and i know it seems werid because i did alot of pruning this time around but to me that's necessary because the lower buds with my wattage are fluffy and unsmokeable for me i usually throw them in a hash bag for keif or i just toss them in the trash and i really wanna focus the plants attention on the tops. so well see how it turns out. thanks ill see you guys back on day 27 for the measurements and another update!

[Flail]

hey bro, your over watering them. check the curl on the bottom leaves, you'd have it on top if it was heat

[Gfarmer]

there not actually curling there just bent, i made this post to illistrate why they curling was so bad last time they were lacking water and ive been bending and pushing the leafs downwards under neath the lower bud shoots. its a technique im using see how the top leafs are facing up thats because the top ones dont get bend but every fan leaf below the two top ones havebeen bend mashed downwards tucked and folded and then held down but the foliage from the lower bud shoots as they pass on there way to the top. when you do this ll the lower leafs look curled after but they have been forced that way and it takes day or two to for them to un bend totally just keeo checking the updates and you see what i meen.

i use the weight method for watering. and i keep it loged in my note book the smaller pots i water once every three days and the larger pot once a week. i alwasy wait until the pot is vurtually weightless to water.

[Gfarmer]

you know what its my bad i kinda goofed by just taking pictures after. so ive un tucked all the leafs and im gonna leave them till tommorow morning then ill take a picture of before and after so you can see what i meen im really bad an articulating myself over the computer i think if you saw what the plant looked like before i do this to it and then after youll see why the leafs look like that. anyways stay tuned

[Gfarmer]

ok so i untucked the leafs at about 15 mins till 2 in the morning its is now 5 am so just three hours since i untucked my leafs and already you quick they recover from this for people using low wattage.

(ps i figured out how to take bigger and better pictures with my crappy camera)

auto bomb # 2 taking alittle longer but getting there.

and just because heres some shots of auto bomb 3...

and auto bomb 4

so as you can see from comparing the pictures from my last post this tucking and bending fan leafs thing im doing makes the plant look funn but give it a couple of hours and its back looking normal again. its not ideal i would rather not half to do it but im working with restrictions because of my budget and the lights i can afford. some times you gotta sacrifice one thing for an other when you work this way. im just trying different methods to letting the side branchs even out and catch up to the main cola.x

i dont no if tuckig the leafs under is a bad idea or not i just ws sitting there looking at the plant and said well if people use ties and strings to manipulate the plant to increase light to certain areas it stands to reason that i could do something similar using the foliage alone to hold branchs in certain postions, and i started moving the large fan leafs out of the way from the bud foliage below.

i started to think that the best way would be to pull the leaf staight down from the point where the leaf matter reachs its stem and use the leafs and branchs from below to hold it down. and over time i keep adding to it different things or trying different methods of holding the leafs in place which bud branchs to focus on that sort of thing.