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Jiffy's and Coco

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Finally the last 2 Jack seeds have rooted perfectly with the exact method explained under Germination on GreenHouseSeedscCom - The first one went into a Jiffy (startertable) and under Neon Lights inside my grow room with regular ESL and Neon lambs I have around...Good to check if the room is covered and no light leaks out.., I thought ione seed would have made it to the top already, just to find out the Jiffy had helped growing a longer root, but pushed it out at the surface. So I decided to follow another method, than taking the Jiffy and sticking it into the 4 cm hole of a GRODAN Rockwool block.

I took a brick of coco and made some sxcellent coco soil from it and stashed two 3,7 Litre pots full with it - Then gently squeezed the JIffy's with the rooted JACK seeds inside halfway into the Coco and filled it up with a bit more loose wet coco , so that you hardly can see the Jiffy. Placed a big plastic bag around the pots and put them in the room where the gas burner / oven fot our house is is, becuuse it is nice + warm in there and left the NEON light of that room on....

I hope this is okay !!???

My first indoor grow other than seeds pot earth and daylight to start the plants life.

Another question. I am waiting for some more gear ao -Reflektor + Starter electronics Vossloh 400 Watt MH/HPS and an 85 Watt ESL DUAL light, I want to use for the start up and the final flowering stages, where the 400 Watt MH or HPS don't reach.

Should be gere early next weel..

In the meantime I just germinate the seeds.

My plan was to simply put the 2 pots next to the window from the morning tomorrow. Or should i stick to NEON in the daytime as well. i know it is important to keep them safe, warm and moist, but without light the plant won't grow neither.

I love that coco. feels really nice mixing it by hand..lol

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okay..

seems I could have jumped the Jiffys and put straight into Coco..

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yeah i think like bozoph, if they are growing Neon that you have leave them there :) If they are regular neon, window, but i don't know if there is enough sun hours in the day to make your plant veg.where you leave

Have good grow man, may they germinate peacefully ;)

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Have to get me a camera - there is so much going on atm.

Seems my first popped out JACK is a twin plant ! one twin leaves another just exposing the first green leave in one JIFFY/CoCo pot 3,7 Litre.

The one AB seed I that dropped to the floor when opening the stealth straw it came in ffrom GHS has rooted big way by now, too.

Since I managed to get the two large NEON grow lights from the stash era I had to make my grow era a lot larger - 1,80m by 80cm by 1,20m L/B/H. The Neons are blue and reddish and 1,220m. each - How far is the best distance to the Jiffy's - little plant ?

Will put that last AB seed in a smaller coco pot and into a small growbox - This is much easier to handle than those large pots and Grodan blocks with watering and cleaning the grow surface afterwards..LOL

Next seeds to grow will be Super Bud / Arjan's Haze 3 & the Low Ryder - half/half indoors and outside - summer is coming..LOL :) :) :)

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nice about your twins :)

And for the neons, i think if you are at 5-10cm you are pretty safe but you have to watch carefully that the plant doesn't touch it when she grows ;)

If i remember right neon don't heat "at all" or almost, so they can be at 2cm as long they don't touch the plant ;)

Have a good grow

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This neon is only for lack of alternative - once they are in VEG I'll use an 85 watts ESL on top, then the 400 Watt DUAL MH and later i when I send them in bloom a 400 Watt HPS for flowering ....

Seedlings are in a grow box mini by now about 10 inches 25 to 30 cm from the NEON's ..Best no risk of burn'

Peace

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Thanks. Think I will do that (replace the DUAL with a red flowering HPS. Yesterday the 85 watt ESL arrived along with the Reflektor and 400 watt ballast (for MH & HPS). Since I don't need the 400 watts I just put the CFL into the Reflektor and all of the seedlings and the twin plant inside the mini grow box.

Nice; but i think i really effed up big time by using only coco without any nutrients mixed into ...

I fear some seeds will never make it and still no signs of fresh green on top.

Coco must be mixed a bit with Perlite & Vermillium and needs Canna A + B , Rhizomatic and the list goes on.

I had no idea.

Atm I don't even have a PH &EC testing kit and worst of all no way to get the temp higher than 20 Degrees, maximum was 23..

Thankfully the sun was already high and shining in my living room at 7 o'clock, so I forget all the artificial stuff and moved them close to the windows. They seem to do good there - everything cloudy on top.. At 7pm o'clock it is back to the grow box - man that is a sight to see ..lol

#Best stealth ever - looks like I used the box for stashing things inside & on top - looks nice in fact and it is nice and big. The Reflektor is very close to the Box top. I got a clip fan, but I think it is too early to fan them - would only lower the temp.

I can't afford more stuff this month. ordered 3 times and spend around 230 € already..Will see what I can do about the Coco - Have mixed up a nice fresh brick- Flushed with CANNA Flush this time. Before it is back in the pots I will give them a proper mixture and at least some nutrients.

Lighning 1 plant and a flaw is no FUN. Feels cheap..

But every new start is an adventure.

Things look easy on TV :-)

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well even if you take the hannah ec and ph meter, you can have both for 50e but they should last a long time, i hope so lol ^^

I would be afraid with "cheap" ec and ph meter of having the wrong values or i don't know, that's the kind of things on which i try to earn money ^^

But for sure price is attractive!! :)

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lol Yes i know i thought about while writing ^^

But still i would be afraid ^^ leave me be afraid in my corner :ph34r:

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Yeah, I've been checking around for these instruments, I will get one next month. In my eBay country shop there were no cheap Testers from Hong kong.

I need more seeds urgently ..lol

Atm. it looks like 4 out of 6 has made it, but 3 came from one Jiffy !! (the twin even raised a third piece of green - shakes head.9.yesterday I seperated them another one is looking okay and I hope for a 5th. Seed number 6 looks rotten, but who knows ?

But since the grow era is much bigger than expected I will order at least 2 more seed packs - Arjan's Haze 3 and Super Bud. Would love The El Nino too, but can't afford more than 2 bags right now.

The fucking TAN machine didn't work - otherwise the order been completed half an hour ago..

Next on the list :.

Canna A+B and GH feeding, starter soil and tiny pots. There is enough space in the mini grow room.

If you have a link for the Hong Kong connection please give it to me..

How long did it take to arrive ?

Better buy it ihere- Ph test kits are 6.50 and EC meters start at 15.90 € so for fast use this is okay.

Maybe if I ask around someone has a set to lend me ?

BTW does a regular gardener supply store have Perlite and Canna A+B ?

Need bigger pots with stands, too ...

I want to see a lot of GREEN WEED !!!

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Tokage - you mean I could run a 400 watt MH AND a 400 watt HPS simultan with the MH/HPS ballast ?

That would be great - I will get another reflektor with E 40 inlet anyway , Too much growing space for only 1 reflektor ..

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I don't think a regular gardener store will have canna A+B, maybe yes for the perlite, but not sure neither depends of the shop i guess ^^

For the second lamp, if you have 1m² or more, you can easily add another 400w, there is never too much light ;) Exept in micro grow maybe lol.

And for the Twin, amzing that it became a tri-girled, take some pictures for us man, we NEED it ;)

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was checking and i see you have only 1m20 of high in your room right? if so be careful with the heat of your hps ;) A good cooltube wouldn't be unapreciated i think ;)

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I seperated the 3 little greenies, not much to see.

The grow era will get higher once the plants need more space - Right now 1,20 is WAY more than high enough.

I will use 2 wooden boards - 2 meter long and cut in a hole for the Ventiltors. One low one near the top.

The set up is super elastic..lol

At the moment I am looking for a small heater!

The room is always between 20 and 23 degrees.

URGENT !

The Canna starter set Vega Flower and Boost

GHS Feeding

Seeds

I'll keep one reflektor with CFL for the mini grow box seeds + clones - get another small reflektor with a 200 Watt CFL Grow lamb / maybe change to flower later and

the main light : Looking for a reflektor that can hold 2 400 Watt lambs NH + HPS for the last 4 weeks !

I plan on getting one of those new advanced Cool Air Reflektors with direct inputs for the filters/ventilation.

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ooh don't forget to post a pic of that double 400w reflektor i want to see it in action :)

Too bad for the 3 babies you should have taken a pic ;)

Have a good grow

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well ,thanks, - not too sure if it is such a great idea to post pics of illegal activities on the web..This may be used against I + I one day, but fuck dat.

I just need a camera, can't + won't ask others to take pics for me, who knows where those appear ?

Since my list of things to buy is endless the priority for a camera is pretty low. If I buy one I don't want the cheapest model around

Hope there is something to show other than very weak beginners and empty pots soon..lol

BTW

anyone has a tip for reflektors that can hold 2 lamps ?

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I have a doublelamp reflektor but it's home made cause i was working with aluminium back in the day ^^

you can check here if youb are inspired lol ^^ :

But i've never seen a "manufactured" piece with 2 lamp, but for sure it might exist somewhere. But you might consider the possibility of buying to individual reflektor, can be good too ;)

Good luck in your search, and post your pics whenever you will be ready to do it, i didn't plain to leave ;)

Have a god grow

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Thanks Dust !

I think I go for that second reflektor - either the Auto cool or a double CFL with 2 & 55 watts, you know the type for seeds + clones, that can be used for Veg + Growth later as well.. not that heavy on the electro-bill and still pretty potent - One regular Reflektor I got already as you know..

So at the end of next week the next order is on the way :-)..

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Hey Bam, did some lookin around the interweb, here's what i found, I don't know what county you are in.

You'll probably have to do a search for where you are, these are some names and types of reflector to look for.

Good search words are "dual" & "twin" reflector.

Growzilla Dual HID (hps/mh) Air Cooled Reflector - http://www.hydroponics.net/i/131492

Powerplant Sunmate Twin CFL Reflector - http://www.basementlighting.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?page=1/PROD/EL/TSMGL

Envirolite Twin CFL - http://www.basementlighting.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?page=1/PROD/EL/EL200X2

Envirolite Twin & Quad CFL Reflectors - http://www.u-grow.com/acatalog/reflectors-cfl.html

Super Spectrum Twin Reflector - http://www.3rlighting.com/growlights/growlights5.html

As for posting pics just photo plants, avoid showing other parts of your house, If no one can identify your house they can't identify where your plants are.

I was wary at first but I have not had problems with posting pics,don't think anyone else has either.

For sure never show people your grow, buy a camera and take photo yourself.

If you want some gentle heat then a heated propagator mat might help, plus you can use it for seedlings too.

Good luck with you grow :)

Peace

Lams

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Thanks for the links. I am not from the Us or UK, so I checked around and might opt out for this model from Secret Jardin as a second light source. I can hang an ESL lamp in between plants as well , for a little over 1 squaremeter this should do. I preferrred if I could keep my grow box at the height it is atm. for as long as possible. When I need the lapmps higher I could just add some boards on top to hold them.

Stealth is important !

The Air-Cool would give me that and these CFL's as well. Anything that can be lowered to the plants less than 10 cm.

I already linked that Air-Cool, but atm I think this T.Neon SJ light would give me more flexibility. Veg or even bloom flowers and nurse seeds, seedlings and clones...

Check : Secret Jardin 2 & 55 watt T.Neon for seedlings

Grow

Flower

comes with a nice reflektor for 77 €uro with 2 lights

Exchange lights are between 6 & 8 Euro a piece..

Jorge Cervantes recommends these..

I would like to keep the Ventilation/Filtering basic as well.

Instead of running two systems (one for the lights to cool) and the other for smell and air exhange I would prefer to concentrate on that point. There is a chimney nearby , so hopefully the house will not smell oriental for the summer..lol

There are peops inside, that must not notice what is growing there or ask what that smell coming from etc. I have a large fan where I can blow air to the plants ..

Till then still is a Looooong way to get there..lol

Thanks for your attention.

BTW what do you think of that Ventilation ?

http://www.ebay.de/i...d#ht_2077wt_992

I know it is a little one and I probably need an output fan and another one later ?

But the price is right and it can be used for drying or in a Clone box later on, IF I decide to grow more..

This is already getting way more expensive than expected so I have to harvest at least half a pound dof great bud to break even....

Should be possiible with minimum 6 good plants !

Massel !

:) :) :)

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Of course - For that height the AIR COOL would be great - I think that will be on the list when it comes to the end of the VEG phase. Order that in may and the CFL and the CANNA Starter Kit , fertilzers and maybde a Big Drippa and a PH and EC test set in April..

Don't you have those T Neons for your seedlings in your grow room ? I counted 3 reflektors ?

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Setting up for the first time can seem pricey but once you grown a couple of times you are in to money saving territory.

Of course you need to buy nutrients and change your filter but that is a small price compared to buying weed.

Look a like it should do the job, it says it is not a cheap chinese filter,the better filter you buy the longer it will last but that looks to be an ok strater kit & once you have the fan and ducting they will last ages with occassional filter replacements.

Here is a link for grow room calculators - http://www.strainhun...__fromsearch__1

These calculators help you find out what you will need for a given grow space.

The secret jardin 2 x 55Watt neon looks cool for veg i use 3 x 36Watt CFL's wich is only 2Watts less than the secret jardin uses.

I am guessing you only growing a couple of plants.

Peace

Lams

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Of course, starting up is the hardest always. I am willing to invest in the proper gear, but at the same time not overdo it. I am not a pro and usually don't even buy weed !

A yield of say 150 to 300 grams in the coming 4 to 6 months or so would be great. If I will do the growing on a regular - no plans on that.

What would you buy in my situation next with say 120 to maximum 140 Euros ?

I want the best soil mix I can get. I know that good soil is as important as fertilizers. I already got Coco Bricks and CANNA FLUSH.

I was thinking about a 50 liter Royal Mix for 20 Euro. Perfect mixture with composts guano, bonemeal , worms and Perlite.

I want the safest way to grow the next 10 seeds and for clones.

Finally the Secret Jardin or the Ventilation ?

faves

http://www.ebay.de/i...m#ht_4316wt_907

Put seeds with roots down directly in this medium..

For the 11 litre square pots

This is my favorite : perfect balance NPK and ph + EC needs- no additional fertilizers for the next 6 weeks

http://www.ebay.de/i...#ht_3469wt_1031

Mix it with my Coco bricks or use it pure and can I use the starter soil with it ?

Proper soil is the number 1 condition for healthy plants. Comes cheaper than using an x-amount of other products..

I got a root fertilizer lready..

so next on the list

http://www.ebay.de/i...#ht_2553wt_1031

4 CFL set with lights for flowering included ! - looks good to me ...

Clone Gel , GHs Feeding and the ventilation are for May...

Air Cool or similar as well

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