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That Big Bang is looking fantastic. Goes to show the non autoflowers believers what is possible, amazingly frosty, great work as always. Amazing how the autos pile weight on the last 2-3 week

About the weight, you know it bro, with a little patience at the end they really can surprise you with the sudden weight, but if you didnt know better one could easily lose a lot of yield gettng impatient and chopping early. I was skeptical myself about autos, but after 2 crops and a 3rd on the way next all reservations have vanished. Thanks very much for the nice words my friend :)

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Really nice job man, you're definitely putting in some GREAT work! :cool:

Blessings and good luck!

Hi mountainkush! Thanks for stopping by and for the nice comments :D I hope you are enjoying the forum..won't find a better group of members/growers anywhere on the net!

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I think you are growing your masters piece with that Big Bang Auto 1 I love everything I see and damn you are right. Autos have come really really close to the potency of a regular feminized type. The SMA is a good example, was my favorite so far from GHS but the one that really amazes me is Royal queens Creamatic Auto. The smell is like caramel, the taste is incredible tasty and the effect is WOW. Such a sticky bud feels like you deal with Pattex..lol

Probably that Mzar-I-Sharif Norh afghani that went into the cross. The best Afghanistan has to offer !

Now I am checking out what their Amnesia Haze autos can do and hopefully their Cheeese. Just popped 1 seed of each in a Grodan Cube..

Got me some seeds yesterday - 1 Cheese and 3 packs of Amnesia Haze auto, OG Kush, Special Kush No1 and a free AK-47 auto 5 pack. Am curing that and their Jack Herer auto right now. Too early to smoke that but the Jack looks good, too- Fast as lightning you get the buds-amazing what autos can do !

DSadly my grows are sucking compared to yours. If only I know what is wrong but if I get an ounce I am already happy, even 20 grams seem to be a decent result- Maybe I flush too much.. This time I will VEG my seedlings 3 Kings Kush, 1 Cabose & 2 White widow real good. With Autos and 12/12 from seed there ain't uch I can do but wait . At least the quality is excellent if not i had given in..

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I think you are growing your masters piece with that Big Bang Auto 1 I love everything I see and damn you are right. Autos have come really really close to the potency of a regular feminized type. The SMA is a good example, was my favorite so far from GHS but the one that really amazes me is Royal queens Creamatic Auto. The smell is like caramel, the taste is incredible tasty and the effect is WOW. Such a sticky bud feels like you deal with Pattex..lol

Probably that Mzar-I-Sharif Norh afghani that went into the cross. The best Afghanistan has to offer !

Now I am checking out what their Amnesia Haze autos can do and hopefully their Cheeese. Just popped 1 seed of each in a Grodan Cube..

Got me some seeds yesterday - 1 Cheese and 3 packs of Amnesia Haze auto, OG Kush, Special Kush No1 and a free AK-47 auto 5 pack. Am curing that and their Jack Herer auto right now. Too early to smoke that but the Jack looks good, too- Fast as lightning you get the buds-amazing what autos can do !

DSadly my grows are sucking compared to yours. If only I know what is wrong but if I get an ounce I am already happy, even 20 grams seem to be a decent result- Maybe I flush too much.. This time I will VEG my seedlings 3 Kings Kush, 1 Cabose & 2 White widow real good. With Autos and 12/12 from seed there ain't uch I can do but wait . At least the quality is excellent if not i had given in..

Not sure what you been doing, but I'd be mad as hell to yield an ounce. That's just me tho, bcuz I'd smoke thru it in 2-3weeks.

But your pot size is relevant. If you're gonna grow in soil, you need a GOOD soil, unless your gonna do the GreenHouse powder feed.

Looks like ppl have been having great rtesults with that! You can also try and supplement some C02 to your garden, as that will help some for sure.

Your light intensity. A 400w should give you more than an oz per plant, so maybe you have the lights too far away.

I'd have it at about 10-12 inches above the canopy if I were still using one.

I don't know much about flushing as well, as I can't flush my soil, but if I'm remember what I've read correctly, you should flush a couple times and that's is...

Wish I could help more in that regard, but I can't. Sure Smokey can tho :D

Ohh yeah, I can say the the plants seems to grow an awful lot in the last few days when you left the actually finish, rather than harvesting early :D

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I think I know a few things to improve yield and what is lacking atm. Cause as strange as it sounds I had much much better results on my 1st and second grow . Even the third was mainly okay but from then on after changing to 12/12 the average yields dropped, plants stayed shorter and I had a few sideway girls with ridiculousely little size. Point 1 is too dry - When I grow with 2 lights or with a MH the temp gets very hot and the air gets exttremely dry, desert like - around 30%. Plus the 12/12 which mens plants start flowering when they are not really Vegged properly. Probably a Co2 issue, though I cannot test that I just changed my filter after 18 months to a better model from RHINO. Will also get a Humidifyer very soon and bought Smart Pots and very good soil. I use Powder Feed and Root enhancers / Bud boosters + Final Phase. The only other issue is Co2; not sure how to treat that - with tablets in the soil (tabs) or ?

Any ideas I am all ears . In general I will watch and monitor my watering schedule and stay away from massive flushes - 2 smaller ones may be okay - One before harvest is a must and not the reason why a plant stays under productive. That is already manifesting in early flower , say week 3 , if it is real small and with mainly a single cola it is a sucker for space and so I think i will for the very frst time grow a few reserve plants and simply toss those suckers with a a yield og under 10 grams dry, instead of just feed her same way I will replace it. Tired of playing around - after all this method of growing 4 girls on with a 30 gram 2 20 gram and a 8 gram plant per light was okay for my supply but I cannot cure the weed properly with those amounts and that sucks.

I am usual quite content till I see what other folks harvest, of course Gonzo got a much much better grow room but hey why waste a good opportunity esp. when I know I could do much better. Twice as much easily I had couple girls weighin in at over 50 grams and more than 1 meter tall and that is just not happening anymore - 55 to 75 cm is the norm recently..

But sorry to take this into this fine journal - it seems tents are much better suited for growing than regular rooms with wooden walls ..

BTW the largest yield I had was from a Big Bang..lol The crown weight in 125 grams alone when fresh cut ..

Look (and that was my very first grow indoors with a color code pack)

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damn man she is indeed a really nice lady! beautiful crown of buds growing around the main top and what a nice amount of frost, she will be for sure a delight to smoke, i hope so at least lolol ;)

Thanks for all those nice details and infos man! And Good job on the pics getting better and better :D

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I think I know a few things to improve yield and what is lacking atm. Cause as strange as it sounds I had much much better results on my 1st and second grow . Even the third was mainly okay but from then on after changing to 12/12 the average yields dropped, plants stayed shorter and I had a few sideway girls with ridiculousely little size. Point 1 is too dry - When I grow with 2 lights or with a MH the temp gets very hot and the air gets exttremely dry, desert like - around 30%. Plus the 12/12 which mens plants start flowering when they are not really Vegged properly. Probably a Co2 issue, though I cannot test that I just changed my filter after 18 months to a better model from RHINO. Will also get a Humidifyer very soon and bought Smart Pots and very good soil. I use Powder Feed and Root enhancers / Bud boosters + Final Phase. The only other issue is Co2; not sure how to treat that - with tablets in the soil (tabs) or ?

Any ideas I am all ears . In general I will watch and monitor my watering schedule and stay away from massive flushes - 2 smaller ones may be okay - One before harvest is a must and not the reason why a plant stays under productive. That is already manifesting in early flower , say week 3 , if it is real small and with mainly a single cola it is a sucker for space and so I think i will for the very frst time grow a few reserve plants and simply toss those suckers with a a yield og under 10 grams dry, instead of just feed her same way I will replace it. Tired of playing around - after all this method of growing 4 girls on with a 30 gram 2 20 gram and a 8 gram plant per light was okay for my supply but I cannot cure the weed properly with those amounts and that sucks.

I am usual quite content till I see what other folks harvest, of course Gonzo got a much much better grow room but hey why waste a good opportunity esp. when I know I could do much better. Twice as much easily I had couple girls weighin in at over 50 grams and more than 1 meter tall and that is just not happening anymore - 55 to 75 cm is the norm recently..

But sorry to take this into this fine journal - it seems tents are much better suited for growing than regular rooms with wooden walls ..

BTW the largest yield I had was from a Big Bang..lol The crown weight in 125 grams alone when fresh cut ..

Look (and that was my very first grow indoors with a color code pack)

As far as tent vs wooden walls, wooden walls don't reflect light so tent would be the ideal situation, but flat white walls are good, as well as mylar and poly panda paper(the stuff that's black on one side and white on the other). And also, this is the first run I've done in a tent, and I can tell you now that having a tent will get your humidity up to the appropriate levels.

I just had to buy another fan to put in my tent to get the humidity to 65-60% max over night. And that's as low as I can get it. And there are 4 fans in the tent that don't turn of. 8 when you count the PC fans bringing air in and out of the tent.

But the run before this, I was having problem with humidity too when I wasn't using the tent.

I couldn't get it above like 30%. So thats some food for thought :D

And as far as cheap CO2, these exhale co2 bags have done me justice :D

One of them is good for a 4x4 area for about 6 months. I've used them twice now, and will always use them until I get a tank and regulator going.

You just hang them somewhere above the plants, and forget about them.

http://www.exhaleco2bags.com

That's a nice first yiled tho man! And I know it can be a pain in the ass to digress I'm sure! Just keep at it.

Go back to your first run in terms of things you did you know?

Peel it away and get back to doing your thing :!

Guys like Gonzo and Smokey make me wanna step it up too man! So I know the feeling!

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Thanks for the support Bro. The wooden walls in the back were from the shower taken at the final flush, I have white walls and mylar inside. Just exchanged the filter and ordered a nice humidfiyer plus I Veg them till hey are at least 30 or 40 cm tall. These are not Automatics besides the Amnesia Haze + 2 AK-47's I popped this morning to have fresh new weed asap.. BTW the low r/h has an advantage - no bud rot and excellent quality - The Jack+AK-47 looks + smells so darn tasty - old scholl aroma..can't wait to test the buds. So it is all good.

A co2 pump is on the list for later...

Guys like Gonzo + Smokey are just perfectionists and that is what makes less perfect grows look pathetic. Of course it is not - As long as the quality is on that level and it is fun growing being with the plants is a rewarding experience in itself. Hey smokey you sure can be very proud with the level you took our hobby. May you stay full of energy and enthusiasm for many more great plants - This Big Bang auto is a monster of a plant. Can't wait to see the buds and read about the smoke report.

Hope you did not mind me sidetracking a bit ? Maybe someone can learn from that as well...

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Thank you guys very very much!!! :biggrin: Mr. Green and Bam, I'm sorry but I have been busy and not been a part of this awesome discussion and learning session..and there is no need to apologize for a very cool discussion of the sort! :) I will comment more when i have time and don't worry all shared info is good help for all and is very welcome in my journal!! :) I will have a yield update for the Northern lights auto very soon, just have to sort pictures.

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Northern Lights auto weigh-in and BBAuto update

HELLO hunters and friends!!

Before I update, I really want to say again to Bam and Mr. Green, thank-you both for your enthusiasm for growing, and your compliments, you guys really honor me with your kind words..RESPECT to you both!! Also a huge thanks to everyone who even just peeks in at my grow..you all make the effort more than worth it!! :) :) AND..please never apologize for sharing info and learning in my journals, it is why I post all of my details, so we can all learn together..and from the great info exchange in your posts I too am learning :) Just one example, I looked more into Exhale CO2 bags thanks to Mr. Green and found I can save a ton of $$ with them compared to the CO2 pads I use and they are much easier to use and last waaay longer..THANKS BRO!! Much love and respect to all of you!!

I would comment more but it’s a long weekend, and I’m really ripped on the NLA (plus bowl after bowl of all the harvested auto strains) and can’t handle sitting still enough anymore to type or concentrate on words..besides it’s pictures you want lol.

Here are pictures of the Northern Lights auto weigh in and some info about her, as well as info about the BBauto (now super ripe with tons of resin and big swollen calyxes) to be harvested tomorrow. Look out for her harvest post very soon, she is my favorite plant by far..please enjoy!

PEace

28/08/13 – Big flush day for Big Bang auto @ 82 days from seed

As mentioned before she has had only about 0.5 EC “hard water” for 2 waters now and it is time to give her a big flush before chopping her.

Flushed the Big Bang auto plant with 30 L tap water @

ppm:330

pH: 6.0

Temperature: 21 ° C.

The water was left out for 48 hrs to allow chlorine to dissipate.

She was then flushed with an additional 15 L r/o water +

*Dutch Nutrient Formula Clear @ 3 mL/L x 15 L = 45 mL ppm: 330

pH: 6.0 Temperature: 21°C

Plant Run-off pH Run-off EC/ppm

BBA 6.0 0.31/220

31/08/13 – Northern Lights auto weigh – in

2 weeks after harvesting the lady which began as the “runt” of the group, she has weighed in at 93 grams + about 4 grams I used prior to weigh in for a YIELD OF 97 GRAMS. It is amazing how this lady turned around and became one frosty bitch with a decent yield!! And preliminary tests are very nice, she is as or more potent I would say than the Sweet mango, and quite a bit more on the sativa side compared to the mango, and especially compared to the Super Critical auto which is all indica. Smell is very sour and spicy with a bit of fruitiness, very much Northern lights I think, and VERY strong.

I wasn’t sure if I was going to grow this strain again, but when I think of the past 3 now that I’ve grown to completion, 1 that I accidentally cropped early still had TONS of trichomes like the one I grew this time round, and the other while not as resinous was a big plant for an auto with a really nice yield. I think I was just a little unlucky with a few beans but would like to try her again in the future. I’m sorry I don’t have a better smoke or vape report yet but have been busy keeping an eye on the jarred and paper bagged buds (rH outdoors has been horribly high so need to really watch them), finishing weighing cut buds, as well as finishing the BBAuto (final watering with plain r/o water tomorrow night) and just haven’t had the time to get to a proper one :( I will soon though cause this strain/plant definitely deserves one!!

Running total dry yield now for 4 weighed plants is 380 grams. I will be weighing-in the Sweet Mango auto #1 plant tonight and taking pictures. She is the least resinous of the bunch but a big interesting lady nonetheless lol.

HAVE TO ADD – I found an inexpensive LED magnifying light that I plan on trying out to get some even closer shots of the buds tonight..stay tuned for hopefully even better bud porn to come!

More updates very soon!! PEACE

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Yummie stuff ! I checked for those Co2 bags, too but they are only available in the US at that point BUT I think i found the main mistake with the construction of my grow room, that is responsible for those meagre yields and slow growth recently. Tell me if I am after something important or not , before I change things..lol

I got an intake fan on the lower left side and the VEntilation sucks out the smell and used air in the middle of the room and a duct takes the air outside through a hole in the roof where the actual Rhino carbon filter sits. In most pix I see esp in tents the filters are INSIDE the grow room, right ? Plus I block the outlet with the duct - this might lead to a very low oxygene level inside the grow room I think ?!

So my idea is put the filter inside the grow room and add an out-take fan with a duct attached to blow out od air and create a better air flow(oxygen supply for the plants. This should bring back the larger yields I got before I build that grow room.

Does this make sense somehow ?

If yes I will start rearranging the ventilation immediately..

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Yummie stuff ! I checked for those Co2 bags, too but they are only available in the US at that point BUT I think i found the main mistake with the construction of my grow room, that is responsible for those meagre yields and slow growth recently. Tell me if I am after something important or not , before I change things..lol

I got an intake fan on the lower left side and the VEntilation sucks out the smell and used air in the middle of the room and a duct takes the air outside through a hole in the roof where the actual Rhino carbon filter sits. In most pix I see esp in tents the filters are INSIDE the grow room, right ? Plus I block the outlet with the duct - this might lead to a very low oxygene level inside the grow room I think ?!

So my idea is put the filter inside the grow room and add an out-take fan with a duct attached to blow out od air and create a better air flow(oxygen supply for the plants. This should bring back the larger yields I got before I build that grow room.

Does this make sense somehow ?

If yes I will start rearranging the ventilation immediately..

I'm glad I read this right away bro..what you are saying totally makes sense! :) DO IT..rearrange!! lol :biggrin: Proper air exchange, both CO2 for the leaves, and oxygen for the roots, is something that I read into a lot and it's REALLY important, from experience I noticed a BIG difference when I added an intake fan (something Tokage suggested to me during my first grow) PLUS also the outake fan that I have set-up like you mention with the carbon filter at the end of the line - in the tent as you mentioned - then next the outtake fan with the hose attached and vented out the tent. I think you've totally nailed a HUGE reason why you've had some difficulty with yields brother, I think the way you had things set up the air had to be sort of forced out of the tent by the intake air which is VERY difficult to do with a filter attached to the outside of the tent.

Damn man I'm SUPER happy that you were able to narrow things down like that cause it seemed to me that you were doing everything right on, and you had nice yields before..but I didn't know you had changed some things around and went to a tent etc. Man I can't wait to see the difference!!

I will take a picture of my set-up after I harvest the BBA tonight for ya..hope that helps :)

EDIT : What do you have right now for internal air circulation..like oscillating fans? I keep 2 running on opposite sides of the tent at all times plus a 3rd on the floor when things start getting thick to keep air moving in the tent as well as exchanging new old air for new with intake/exhaust fans.

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Hey

I love to watch these pictures of bud, I watch them again and again !

I show them to some of my friends they are so beautiful !!

May I ask you a question about your led bro ?

So in the first pages I read :

4 x 28W Sunshine Systems™ LED’s

Could you tell me more about theses LED please ?

I wanted to use some led because I plan to make a small flowering box and I can't use a HPS for temperature reason :(

Are they expensive ? Are they not very hot like everyone says about LED ?

Thanks a lot :)

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Cool ! I had to do a lot of work in the room anyway so i first opened up the outtake hole on top of the Box - i do not have a tent - i meant I always see those carbon filters inide tents - got it ? I just took the duct from the ventilator uunit - Not the intake fan - through the hole and up there into the carbon filter. The filter was just sitting on top of the grow Box made of wood on 3 sides and connected to a wall on one side - Now I got another hole, where the air can float through and the actual ventilation is mainly in the middle of the room. Rhino filter sits on boxes now with the duct connected and the fan sucks the air above the plants - I have to buy another out-take fan and that air can be pushed outside throu a 1 meter piece of duct I go lying around - I see the r/h already limbing from 30% to 40% and the 6 plants look okay - if you want to take a look I put some pix in the gow journal section - King's Kush/White widow - The 4 seedlings from RQS are now all above ground as well - in the propagator. This next grow shoould be massive - 10 plants 7 photos and 3 Atos - 2 Ak47 and an Amnesia Haze Auto plus a Cheese from Royal quuens plus Caboose (will take her as a mother) and 2 WW / 3 Kings Kush. So it is important the room is in proper shape.

Damn was not at home when UPS tried to deliver that humidifier. That should improve things big time, too. Tomorrow then.

I decide to get this model..

For the outtake fan I go for a small 100 mm model I guess . Plus a good large fan when the plants get bushy and green, maybe this Co2 generator would be a decent investment as well, but one item per month is enough..lol

Check

http://www.growfix.de/Ultraschall-Luftbefeuchter-Newgen-Medicals-33Liter

this is for activating water with oxygen if i understand correctly..

http://www.growfix.de/Ozonator-Luft-Wasser-400-mg/Stundeps i got that SonoVec duct I want to use with a fan to get out used air, increase air-flow

http://www.growfix.de/Luftschlauch-SonoDec-Sono-Flex-102-mm-laufender-Meter

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Hey

I love to watch these pictures of bud, I watch them again and again !

I show them to some of my friends they are so beautiful !!

May I ask you a question about your led bro ?

So in the first pages I read :

4 x 28W Sunshine Systems™ LED’s

Could you tell me more about theses LED please ?

I wanted to use some led because I plan to make a small flowering box and I can't use a HPS for temperature reason :(

Are they expensive ? Are they not very hot like everyone says about LED ?

Thanks a lot :)

Thank you Justx..I'm really happy that you like the grow show :biggrin: It's a constant learning experience, and I'm more than happy to help.

The LED's are not the top of the line or the newest 3W chip technology, but they have done an excellent job for my as secondary lights to supplement and help the 600W HPS. They are definitely not that expensive at about $135 cdn or US$ per light, and the newest version of the ones I have are much improved from the 1st versions I had. I'm not sure how effective they would be on their own but I'm sure they would do well in a small spot. They are MUCH cooler than an HPS. But this also depends on the size of the LED you get. The ones I use put out very little heat.

I hope that helps bro!

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@ Bam - ya nice work getting a humidifier to get the rH up to proper levels, it will definitely help along with extra air movement and I think you will see a huge improvement! I am pretty insistent (aka anal) about maintaining proper humidity during the grow for the different stages. If it is too far out of whack the stomata on the leaves don't open up and photosynthesis won't occur efficiently or rapidly and you get slower growth.

Congrats on the babies!! May they all grow up to be super stinky and HUGE :) I will grab a seat and follow as soon as I can. I understand your set- up better now and I think we will see things back to higher yields for ya.

I wish I had time to comment more bro but I have an update to post, plant to trim, and back to school tomorrow :P yay lol

Peace

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That is cool ! Thanks for backing me up with infos and support - That Dehumidifyer is a beast - pushing out lots of wet air clouds - I a only paranoid that the water might harm the light, when it is on - You know a drop of water on a hot lamp leads to a total loss. We don't want that, do we ?

I checked the grow Video for the king's kush and noticed that Franco & Arjan recommend r/h of 60 to 70 % in VEG !!! That is high , doubt i can reach that high for longer periods but around plus 50% should be possible and that is much better than 27 to 35 .. Growing means we are always busy somehow , if not growing it is smoking..lol

Have a nice day

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03/09/2013 - YIELD REPORT FOR SWEET MANGO AUTO #1 PLANT & BBA UPDATE

Yes, another update LOL :P I know there are plenty of pictures and info, and I definitely don’t expect comments all the time :P I do thank everyone again for their continued following of this grow for the Cup!!

Here is the Sweet Mango auto #1 plant, she is a pleasure to smoke or vape, as she’s very smooth, and has more of a slightly sweet creamy taste to her with a mango/citrus base. Unfortunately she is the least resinous and aromatic of the plants, and also had a much different shape to her buds with more towering calyxes and not so tight buds, but I think she is pretty still. This particular plant and possibly pheno isn’t quite as potent as the other examples of SMA I’ve grown but is still a nice daytime mellow smoke that seems to lasts decent amount of time and will be great for classes/school. While not as potent she was still one of the top yielders and I’m very happy about that! It is still early, and with time she will change and I will try to update with some time.

WEIGHED on 01/09/2013 – 116 grams total dry weight

Total yield so far for 5 outta 6 harvested plants is:

SCA #1 = 71 grams

SCA #2 = 94 grams

SMA #1 = 116 grams

SMA #2 = 118 grams

NLA = 97 grams

Total yield so far is = 496 grams!!

Yesterday was the Big Bang auto plant harvest, for a total of 6 outta 6 chopped :) For her last night I turned off the 600W HPS and let her bask in only LED light. I know she is ripe and didn’t need a ton of intense light anymore. I just wanted the last **20 L of reverse osmosis water to settle into her and hopefully have her super clean for harvest tonight. I took and included a few pictures of her under only LED light, the next ones will be harvest pictures taken out of the tent :) :) The last plant harvested and end of a crop is always a day of big smiles, and to end it with one of my favorite plants I’ve grown yet makes it even happier!

Please enjoy the pictures of the two plants, one smokeable, and one harvestable, the next update will be the Big Bang auto. I hope to improve my use of the LED magnifying light, it doesn’t give you super macros but it does give a little closer of a view. Just gotta work on the focus and steady hands lol!

Here also is the last watering/flush info for the BBA plant which occurred 24 hrs before harvest for anyone keeping track :P I normally would have let her dry out a couple more days before chopping but she is more than ready and I’m not worried about an extra day drying.

PEACE!!

01/09/2013 – Final water for BBA

Flushed the BBA with 20 L reverse osmosis water @

Ppm: 0

pH: 6.0

Temperature: 21° C

Plant Run-off pH Run-off EC/ppm

BBA 7.7 0.15/110

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