Vindicated Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 Hi everyone. This is my first time posting on these forums and I was hoping to get a little help with a problem I've encountered. You see I have a pack of Green House Seeds Sativa & Indica Mix C Feminized and I'm currently growing Lemon Skunk, Super Lemon Haze, and Hawaiian Snow outside in 10 - 15 gallon (37 - 56 liters) grow bags.It's been raining every couple of days for the past few of weeks, so I haven't needed to use my city water. I had originally started my seeds in early March inside under 200W CFL for three weeks, then I took them outside in a shady spot, allowed them to harden off over a three day period, then placed them in full sun on the southern part of my property.Growth is coming on very fast for all the strains. However the Hawaiian Snow is showing unusual twisting on the new growth at the very top of the plant and on the side shoots. I haven't yet feed my plants because they were recently transplanted into fresh potting soil. So far, they have only been given rain water. Well actually I did feed them once a 1/4th solution, but it rained heavily 15-20 minutes after I fed them X Nutrients Grow & Micro which is primary nitrate nitrogen and ammoniacal nitrogen (no urea) and micro nutrients. However this was well over a week ago. I assume if it was a nutrient burn I would have seen it within one to two days, being that nitrogen is so mobile. If I forgot any other relevant info, please just ask. Here are some photos so you can see exactly what I'm referring to:Photo #1 - On the left is Hawaiian Snow. Center is Super Lemon Haze. On the right is Lemon Skunk.Photo # 2 - A close up photo of Hawaiian Snow with leaf curling on new growth.Photo # 3 - A close up photo of Super Lemon Haze with healthy looking leaves.Photo #4 - A close up photo of Lemon Skunk with healthy looking leaves.Again I can't stress this enough. All three plants are in near identical conditions. All were germinated and taken outdoors at the same time. The problem is only on the Hawaiian Snow. Any feedback on what could be causing this would be very very appreciated. Thanks!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bozoph Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 it looks like a ph problem( way to high) . that will cuz lots of defficancys all at once Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vindicated Posted May 2, 2012 Author Share Posted May 2, 2012 Thanks for posting. You really I'm having a PH problem? I didn't think it was since the potting mix is Roots Organic and I'm giving them rain water. I guess when the next rain comes I could collect some water and test it. In all my years of growing I never bothered to PH anything in organic soil. Then again, this is the first time growing Green House Seeds and I normally grow Indica strains from other breeders. Thanks again though. I was honestly leaning towards heat stress, thinking maybe this Sativa just don't like my region. I'm in Zone 8 by the way. I forgot to mention that earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dust Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 yeah but wouldn't we see the ph problem somewhere else on the plant too? just askin ^^And as it seems he only got rain water this few days, could rain water be that much too high in ph?i don't know if you're in europe, i've had some very hard rain falls, could it be that the plant has been hurt during a hard rain or ice balls?They do look strange, but sorry can't really help it's first time i see that strange looking top, especially on outdoor grow ^^Beside that you have some amazing strain to be grown outdoor Will be following this if you keep us updated.Good luck and have a good grow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeu9 Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 All strains have there diferent needs.Rain water stands normaly at a ph below 7, 6.5 or something close to that, so its about time for you to start giving them feedings at a ph of 5.8 to 5.9 at veg stage since you grow in soil.It seems to me that is there a minor ph lockout (starting to get not so minor if you dont control it now) and that same ph issue is priving the plant of some micro nutrients!Water with a ph controled solution rich in micro nutrients along with base nutrients aswell!Take care and keep us posted on this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vindicated Posted May 2, 2012 Author Share Posted May 2, 2012 No, I'm a bit more towards the west. Lots of rain, not to hard or cold though.BTW is it okay to post my state & country here? I know green house seed co isn't friendly to some areas for "political reasons" or so I've been told, but I am growing legally. Had the police check on my grow last year, and other then just scaring the crap out of me from their unannounced visit, they had no problems with my grow. I'm just limited to six plants. I'll most def. post updates. I'm only starting them in these grow bags. I plant to have them in the ground once they're a little more acclimated and hardy. I'm trying to grow big monster size plants if I can. So far however I've only been able to hit the six foot mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vindicated Posted May 2, 2012 Author Share Posted May 2, 2012 Thanks Rome for the suggestions. I do have some micro and grow nutes that I can feed. I also picked up some amino acids. I'm just waiting a few more days to see if it gets worse or better on it's own. I know I should begin feeding pretty soon though. Thanks for the suggestions so far. I really appreciate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bozoph Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 ive used roots organic sevral times and u do need to feed it. its more like a supplamented soilless then a true soil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vindicated Posted May 2, 2012 Author Share Posted May 2, 2012 Oh that's interesting. I think I'll run to the store and buy a soil test kit, so I know roughly what I'm working with. Thanks. Oh and when I started them indoors, I had them in Light Warrior, a seed starting mix. After I got done hardening them off at week three, I transplanted them into the Roots Organic. That's why I didn't think I needed anything. I figure they went from a very light seed starting mix to something with nutrients. I was even thinking I should be able to go three or four more weeks without anything, but your comments make sense. As I look at my leaves more closely on all my plants, I'm thinking they should be a bit more of a dark green. Do you agree? Or is it all in my head? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vindicated Posted May 2, 2012 Author Share Posted May 2, 2012 You never need to worry about Green House would be negativ towards any country. Only countries they do not do business with, are America and that has nothing to do with not liking the country. Politics geez *sigh*Thanks. I wasn't sure if Americans were allows in here after getting the following e-mail from Green House Seeds:Dear XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX,Thank you for your email.For any information about Green House genetics, please refer to www.strainhunters.comOn the Strain Hunters forum you will be able to connect with moderators and administrators that are in the position to help.Sorry for the inconvenience, we are not allowed to deal with US customers from this platform. Please check www.greenhouse.tm if you are interested in purchasing Green House merchandise.Best regards,GHSCP.S.: We remind all of our customers that due to political circumstances in the US we DO NOT ship seeds to America and we can also not provide American customers with any customer support.I did however listen to their advice about coming here and very glad I did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vindicated Posted May 2, 2012 Author Share Posted May 2, 2012 Another question I have.. would you recommend feeding them at every watering or do I treat them like indoor plants and only feed once a week with an occasional flush? And would this change once I plant them in the ground?The nutrients I am running this year is from a brand called X Nutrients. I have their Grow, Micro, Bloom, and Amino Blast line. I skipped their Blloom Boosters and folier sprays, since they were just diluted P & K.The feeding schedule I got from their website suggest feeding once a week, but when I emailed their company about outside growing, they suggested feeding with every watering at regular recommended strength. However, since they aren't an established company like Advanced Nutrients, Fox Farm, or General Hydroponics, I wasn't exactly sure how reliable their information was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vindicated Posted May 2, 2012 Author Share Posted May 2, 2012 Does anyone think this could also be boron deficiency? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vindicated Posted May 2, 2012 Author Share Posted May 2, 2012 Oh I didn't mean to suggest I water them every day. Rather the people at X nutrients suggested I add their fertilizer to every watering. I just never heard that before. I don't have a problem with over watering. I always lift the container twice a day and water when it the containers feel light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vindicated Posted May 2, 2012 Author Share Posted May 2, 2012 Thanks. Yeah I'm reading about boron deficiency and on paper it fits the bill exactly, but I don't know anyone who has actually had a boron def. Its so rare, that it wasn't even on my radar to check for. I guess even if it was boron, it would prob be caused by PH locking it out, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeu9 Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 Rain water ph is higher then it should be for the stage they are in now, stick to the MICRO nutrients being locked out by ph not being the correct one Boron is a MICRO nutrient, and you are having a micro nutrients deficiency, as I mentioned in my previous post Feed at every watering and a regular plain water once a week to be on the safe side if you dont control the EC of your feeding solutions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vindicated Posted May 3, 2012 Author Share Posted May 3, 2012 Ok, I didn't have a PH tester, so I ran out and bought a couple of PH & NPK Soil Test Kits from my local garden center. The PH was high (aprox 7.5-8.0) and NPK levels was very low. I'm betting Romeu9 that you are absolutely right that the micro is locked out. I'm now watering using city water which has lots of trace minerals, and I added Grow and Micro nutrients, as well as some Amino Acids (I'm skeptical how useful this stuff is, but I hear that it helps stressed plants) and then I PH it to 6.0 - 6.3. Thanks to everyone who took the time to respond and help. You guys nailed it perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dust Posted May 3, 2012 Share Posted May 3, 2012 good luck man hope this will solve your problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vindicated Posted May 3, 2012 Author Share Posted May 3, 2012 Yeah and of all things that could have gone wrong, I'm glad it was this and not nutrient burn or a weird plant disease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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